The fourth season of "The Chosen" is now showing in theaters across the country. Previous episodes of The Paul Cardall Podcast have featured Dallas Jenkins, the creator, writer, and director of this widely acclaimed biblical series. Guests also included Jonathan Roumie, who portrays Jesus; Noah James, playing Andrew; and Jordan Walker Ross, in the role of Little James. In the podcast's 90th episode, listeners will enjoy highlights from Paul's interviews with these actors and the director, conducted over the course of seasons one through three.
Ep. 90 The Chosen: Best of Episodes with Dallas Jenkins, Jonathan Roumie, Noah James, and Jordan Walker Ross
ABOUT THIS PODCAST:
The fourth season of "The Chosen" is now showing in theaters across the country. Previous episodes of The Paul Cardall Podcast have featured Dallas Jenkins, the creator, writer, and director of this widely acclaimed biblical series. Guests also included Jonathan Roumie, who portrays Jesus; Noah James, playing Andrew; and Jordan Walker Ross, in the role of Little James. In the podcast's 90th episode, listeners will enjoy highlights from Paul's interviews with these actors and the director, conducted over the course of seasons one through three.
Listen to the full episodes with
Jordan Walker Ross (Little James)
ABOUT THE CHOSEN
The Chosen is an American Christian historical drama television series. Created, directed, and co-written by filmmaker Dallas Jenkins, it is the first multi-season series about the life and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth. Primarily set in Judaea and Galilee in the 1st century, the series centers on Jesus and the different people who met and followed or otherwise interacted with him. The series stars Jonathan Roumie as Jesus, alongside Shahar Isaac, Elizabeth Tabish, Paras Patel, Noah James, and George H. Xanthis.
After Jenkins noted there had never been a multi-season, episode-based portrayal of Jesus that could be "binge-watched" like shows on streaming mediums such as Netflix, he set out to create the series in partnership with Angel Studios, formerly VidAngel. With the intention of differing from previous portrayals of Jesus, he crafted a story arc which focused more on the people who encountered Jesus and viewed him through their eyes. He has stated in interviews that he sought to present Jesus in a way that was more "personal, intimate, [and] immediate"
The show's producers have primarily used crowdfunding on the Angel Studios platform to finance production, and it continues to be the most successful crowdfunded TV series or film project. Additional revenue comes through licensing to other streaming platforms and TV networks, such as Amazon Prime Video, Peacock, and Netflix. Merchandise and video sales provide additional sources of revenue, as have limited premiere runs in cinemas. The show has been further adapted into a series of novels by Jenkins's father, author Jerry B. Jenkins, a series of graphic novels by Corvus Comics, and companion Bible study materials published by David C. Cook.
According to a 2022 analysis commissioned by the show's producers, 108 million had seen at least part of the show through the app and streaming platforms. Translation into as many as 600 languages is being funded by the Come and See Foundation.
PAUL'S MUSIC & SOCIAL MEDIA
http://www.facebook.com/paulcardallmusic
http://www.instagram.com/paulcardall
Audio file
LANDR-The Chosen - Best of Mix-Balanced-Low.mp3
Transcript
00:00:03 Announcer
Hello and welcome to the Paul Cardall podcast.
00:00:09 Paul Cardall
We have music that I've recently released. You might not be aware of.
00:00:16 Paul Cardall
A grief observed.
00:00:18 Paul Cardall
This is a piece that.
00:00:21 Paul Cardall
It's been appreciated by many critics. I am grateful that it is resonating with so many people. The grief observed. It's inspired by CS Lewis book.
00:00:33 Paul Cardall
A grief observed about his wrestle with God in trying to understand grief.
00:00:39 Paul Cardall
You can go back and listen to some previous episodes about grief and the song, a grief observed before that. I released 13 new original pieces, piano and light orchestration on return home.
00:00:58 Paul Cardall
Return home is inspired by the lands of my ancestors and many of those lands were probably where your ancestors came from, so it's a reflection of our roots and the love we have for what was.
00:01:12 Paul Cardall
Pass down to us and the way we connect with family.
00:01:18 Paul Cardall
So you can find that music by going on my website paulcardle.com course you can also find it on any music platform where you like to listen. The sheet music is also available. That's on my website allcardall.com. You're in for a treat today.
00:01:39 Paul Cardall
This is the best of the chosen.
00:01:42 Paul Cardall
On previous podcast.
00:01:43 Paul Cardall
Episodes I was fortunate to interview three of the actors and Dallas Jenkins, who is the writer, director and creator of the chosen.
00:01:55 Paul Cardall
So you're going to hear the very best of these conversations and I think what's unique is I've not heard other interviews where Jonathan Rooney is so personal.
00:02:07 Paul Cardall
Along with the other two actors, Noah James and Jordan Walker, Ross, Jordan Walker, Ross, please, little James Noah.
00:02:18 Paul Cardall
No. James plays Andrew and Jonathan Rooney plays Jesus. Jonathan is being interviewed on almost every major media outlet from the Today show to the view.
00:02:34 Paul Cardall
I also want to plug the incredible documentary.
00:02:40 Paul Cardall
About Jonathan and his sudden rise to being so famous that everybody wants to meet him, get a photo with him and there's a documentary about how he wrestles with becoming famous overnight.
00:02:59 Paul Cardall
From this man, who pretty much was a janitor of his apartment complex to where now he is somebody that is very hard to get on an Intel.
00:03:13 Paul Cardall
So it's called Jonathan and Jesus. It's on Amazon Prime.
00:03:17 Paul Cardall
Again, Jonathan and Jesus on Amazon Prime.
00:03:22 Paul Cardall
Or this TV show.
00:03:24 Paul Cardall
To date, according to Forbes, has been seen by over 200 million people.
00:03:32 Paul Cardall
They've at least watched one episode, according to Forbes.
00:03:38 Paul Cardall
Now we're in season four, my wife and I are going to go see episodes one through three in the movie theater. We get to see this on the big screen, and then we're going to go to episodes 4 through 7 when that comes.
00:03:51 Paul Cardall
Out in a couple weeks.
00:03:54 Paul Cardall
I'm taking a box of tissues. I am so emotionally connected.
00:04:01 Paul Cardall
To these characters because I believe.
00:04:04 Paul Cardall
That they were real people and that Jesus was a real person.
00:04:10 Paul Cardall
But he was also God.
00:04:13 Paul Cardall
So I'm so excited to present to you the best of the chosen here on my podcast, The Paul Cardall podcast.
00:04:22 Paul Cardall
Mr. Dallas Jenkins, how are you?
00:04:24 Dallas Jenkins
Wow, thank you. That was quite production. I really appreciate that. It means a lot. And yeah, I can tell you my heart has been softened in doing this project. The story behind how this project has happened has changed my life as much as the content of the show itself. And I think it's been.
00:04:44 Dallas Jenkins
The the process of making a show about Jesus and how he changes.
00:04:48 Dallas Jenkins
Lives has matched what's been going on behind the scenes as well, so really appreciate you having me on.
00:04:56 Paul Cardall
Obviously, when we talk about a biblical film, a biblical series, what is it that makes it stand out, and why has it become this sensation? It's like a.
00:05:08 Paul Cardall
It's like a a stone cut out of the mountain as Daniel talks about that's rolling forth and it's going to get.
00:05:12 Paul Cardall
Bigger and bigger and bigger, I think that.
00:05:16 Dallas Jenkins
The passion of the Christ is probably the last Jesus project that united as many people as it did both Catholics and evangelicals. But when I've talked to some of my LDS friends, they said, yeah, the passion of the Christ was too too bloody for the LDS crowd. You know, they're the LDS crowd and their depictions of Christ.
00:05:38 Dallas Jenkins
Tend to be much more reverent and and heavenly. You know, there's usually light beaming out of his head.
00:05:45 Dallas Jenkins
And whatnot. And hallmark.
00:05:47 Dallas Jenkins
Yeah, I genuinely with this show and focused solely on the stories of Christ and his followers and and yes, I've done a lot of scenes and and dialogue that's not from the Bible.
00:05:59 Dallas Jenkins
From it's from history or from artistic imagination, but it comes from a genuine love of scripture and a genuine love of the Gospels. I've been pleasantly shocked and and thrilled by how much. When you go to the chosen fan club on Facebook.
00:06:14 Dallas Jenkins
You get Catholics, LDS evangelicals, Messianic Jews, Orthodox, all those people who all they come there with with this immense love for the show and this immense love for the portrayal, of course. Then of course, some some arguments end up ensuing because people can't help it. But for the most part, we're finding these barriers are breaking down. And I think that's.
00:06:34 Dallas Jenkins
Testament to Jesus and the fact that I am.
00:06:39 Dallas Jenkins
I'm not going to. I'm not. Here's. I'm not going to brag about my skills as a filmmaker, but I will brag on my on what I've been doing more than anything else in the last year and a half and that's listen.
00:06:50 Dallas Jenkins
And the reason I feel comfortable bragging about it is because it reflects.
00:06:54 Dallas Jenkins
A tremendous attempt on my part at humility. I'm not a naturally humble person. I think I I tend to be more of a someone who is very confident because I don't. I don't like to.
00:07:10 Dallas Jenkins
Make decisions or say things unless I've really studied them and I've come to a confident decision. So the reason I say that is I've really recognized that for this shows success, I need to step out of the way. And yes, I'm still going to bring my loaves and fish. And yes, Jesus still had the disciples involved in the miracle and he had them.
00:07:27 Dallas Jenkins
Do their part.
00:07:29 Dallas Jenkins
And I'm going to make the loaves and fish as.
00:07:30 Dallas Jenkins
Good and healthy as they can be.
00:07:32 Dallas Jenkins
But what's happening with this show? The feeding of the 5000 the breaking down of cultural barriers, the breaking down of religious barriers, the breaking down of age barriers, the fact that so many people are coming together with this show.
00:07:43 Dallas Jenkins
All I can tell you is that I've been really trying to listen when I'm writing and really trying my best to make sure that this show is focused solely on the stories of Jesus and not bring my own biases to it.
00:07:53 Dallas Jenkins
And that's what I think is responsible for, because this show is way better than I am and the effect that it's having on people is way better than anything I could ever do. There's no amount of success this show could have that would ever lead me to believe that I'm responsible.
00:08:06 Dallas Jenkins
For it so.
00:08:08 Dallas Jenkins
God is doing something special when people watch it, they said. They tend to say the same thing they say.
00:08:13 Dallas Jenkins
I can't explain it, but my heart was just.
00:08:16 Dallas Jenkins
Like wrecked, but in the best way possible, and the Holy Spirit spoke to me. And I that's not me. That's not Dallas Jenkins. I didn't write something going. What I really want to do is make sure that anyone who watches this, their heart is, is broken down by the Holy Spirit. I'm not responsible for.
00:08:31 Dallas Jenkins
That so all I know is I'm going to continue to do my best to listen. And I think if I continue to do that.
00:08:37 Dallas Jenkins
And what's been happening so far in season one where God has been kind of connecting what he wants said to what the viewers are experiencing? And I'm just trying to.
00:08:47 Dallas Jenkins
That be a helpful conduit in that I think that will continue to happen as long as I continue to try to stay out of the way.
00:09:05 CLIP
But whose authority do you teach?
00:09:09 CLIP
Answer me if you are willing, rabbi. You know you can't.
00:09:16 CLIP
I'm talking to you.
00:09:18 CLIP
By whom do you teach?
00:09:19 CLIP
Certainly not the authority of any rabbi from Nazareth. Where did you study?
00:09:24 Paul Cardall
Your faith.
00:09:26 Speaker 5
It's beautiful fake heart.
00:09:37 Speaker 7
Your sins are forgiven.
00:09:44 Speaker 7
Who is this who speaks blasphemies?
00:09:49 Speaker 7
Who can forgive sins? But God are on.
00:09:53 Speaker 5
Right.
00:09:55 Speaker 7
But I ask you, which is easier to say?
00:09:59 Speaker 7
Your sins are forgiven.
00:10:02 Speaker 7
Or rise up and walk.
00:10:08 Speaker 7
It's easy to say anything, no?
00:10:11 Speaker 7
But to show you.
00:10:15 Speaker 7
And so that you may know that the son of man has the authority on Earth to forgive sins.
00:10:29 Speaker 7
I say to you, my son.
00:10:36 Speaker 7
Pick up your bed.
00:10:39 Speaker 7
And go home.
00:11:08 Speaker 7
Usually does it.
00:11:20 Announcer
Yes, yes.
00:11:45 Speaker 5
Thank you.
00:11:47 Paul Cardall
Now go on.
00:11:56 Paul Cardall
We're going to, we're going to talk about the chosen, but I want to talk.
00:11:59 Paul Cardall
About you.
00:12:01 Paul Cardall
I I've seen a lot of interviews with you.
00:12:03 Paul Cardall
With, you know, everybody wants to know about the chosen. I want to know about Jonathan.
00:12:09 Paul Cardall
To my understanding and and please correct me, your father is Egyptian and Greek Orthodox and your mother is American and Roman Catholic.
00:12:19 Jonathan Roumie
She. Yeah, she she was raised on a farm in Ireland and and came out in her 20s to the United States. My father was raised in the city.
00:12:28 Jonathan Roumie
Cairo. And then he traveled to the United States in the mid to late 60s as well. And then they met in New York City and then started a life. And and I was raised in New York City. And then we moved to the suburbs. And then there wasn't the quite the. So I was. I was.
00:12:48 Jonathan Roumie
Not ties Greek Orthodox and my my parents were married in a Greek Orthodox Church and and for my mother like you know, it's there was no. They're so similar and in in how in their.
00:13:04 Jonathan Roumie
You know, theology in in so many ways that it wasn't a big deal. And then when we moved to the suburbs of Long Island, there wasn't really an Orthodox community that we, you know, found and then that felt, you know, like home for us. So.
00:13:24 Jonathan Roumie
We started going to Catholic Church and my dad went to Catholic school as a kid in Egypt, so it was he was kind.
00:13:33 Jonathan Roumie
Of raised with with both.
00:13:35 Jonathan Roumie
Orthodoxy and Catholic.
00:13:37 Jonathan Roumie
So again, they're shifting back was, you know, for for my dad to shift over. There was no real conflict, you know, theological or or liturgical or, you know, or religious conflict for him. And so we we myself and my.
00:13:57 Jonathan Roumie
Sisters made our First Communion in our confirmation in the Catholic Church. And then, yeah, just kind of.
00:14:04 Jonathan Roumie
So I was raised with the.
00:14:06 Paul Cardall
I was in Cartagena.
00:14:09 Paul Cardall
On a film set with Jim Caviezel, he said that was the best. This is the second most important role.
00:14:16 Paul Cardall
For him, other than playing Jesus Christ, and I thought, wow, that's, you know, because the man got electrocuted playing.
00:14:24 Jonathan Roumie
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:25 Paul Cardall
Having your birthday.
00:14:28 Paul Cardall
So hopefully, hopefully that's not.
00:14:30 Jonathan Roumie
No, I got. I got. Who knows, I mean, you know, at this point our my job.
00:14:36 Jonathan Roumie
As a a faithful.
00:14:39 Jonathan Roumie
Christian, if I'm really walking, the walk is to just offer, you know, OfferUp myself. And as as a vessel for the project and allow God's will to be done through me. And if I'm sure there was going to be some kind of suffering and and as a as a Catholic.
00:14:59 Jonathan Roumie
Especially we're we're big on offering up our suffering, you know, or and and in the same way that the Saints did, you know, martyrs and people that suffered for years for for the sake of Christ and it helps.
00:15:11 Jonathan Roumie
It helps deal with the suffering. You know what I mean? To to kind of know that the the person responsible for your salvation went through this already. So it it becomes much easier to deal with suffering when you're offering it up to to Christ. So if that's if that's what's meant to happen then.
00:15:30 Jonathan Roumie
So be it, but hopefully I won't get electrocuted or or have to have surgery.
00:15:37 Paul Cardall
When you decided to move out to LA because obviously you're close.
00:15:42 Paul Cardall
To your mother and your father's a devout religious home.
00:15:47 Paul Cardall
And you're making this move from a place they know is safe.
00:15:51 Paul Cardall
To this big new world out there, what was that like for them?
00:15:58 Jonathan Roumie
You know, I I don't.
00:16:00 Jonathan Roumie
Think it was an easy thing for.
00:16:01 Jonathan Roumie
Them to hear.
00:16:03 Jonathan Roumie
But they I think they also recognize that God had given me gifts in this arena since I had been working a bit. You know, even though it would, it didn't amount to those 10 years to what I was doing 10 years out here it it was setting me up for something larger.
00:16:23 Jonathan Roumie
And I think they kind of knew I.
00:16:25 Jonathan Roumie
Felt I was sort of called or I had, you know, a part of my destiny was was coming out to Los Angeles.
00:16:34 Jonathan Roumie
But it was of course it was extremely difficult to to leave them and and for them to to see me leave. And you know, I was no longer an hour train ride away from from them coming home every weekend. So. So it was it was tough. But, you know, they they've been.
00:16:54 Jonathan Roumie
Nothing but supportive from from the beginning.
00:16:58 Jonathan Roumie
From from my everything I've ever done, they've they've been supportive of they I couldn't ask for two better parents, especially as an artist in, in, in at that time leaving New York, you know, particularly unstable, you know, circumstances to to to come out here. I.
00:17:17 Jonathan Roumie
Couldn't ask for.
00:17:18 Jonathan Roumie
For more support than than what they gave you.
00:17:21 Paul Cardall
I want to skip to that scene in the chosen.
00:17:24 Paul Cardall
And we're going to the how he ended up doing the chosen. But there's a beautiful scene in there where Jesus is with his mom.
00:17:31 Noah James
Actually that would be a terrible thing.
00:17:32 Noah James
To behold my.
00:17:33 Speaker 7
Son Andrew. You see, even my own mother will join us in the.
00:17:36 Speaker 7
Song of Miriam. There's a lot of wine.
00:17:41 Noah James
But it's only the first day.
00:17:42 CLIP
Yes. And it's only now that they've left.
00:17:48 Speaker 7
Are you telling me this?
00:17:49 Paul Cardall
We can't let the celebration end like.
00:17:50
This and the actress family humiliated.
00:17:57 Speaker 7
Boys, go join the others. I'll be right there.
00:18:12 Speaker 7
My time has not.
00:18:13 Paul Cardall
Yet come.
00:18:20 Speaker 5
Not now.
00:18:47 Paul Cardall
And you see that very human.
00:18:50 Paul Cardall
Boy, like Mommy, like relationship. That is actually fun. How does that compare to the relationship you have with your own mom?
00:19:03 Jonathan Roumie
Well-being somebody who kind of works as a method actor, as we discussed earlier, I brought my relationship with my mother into that relationship with Jesus between Jesus and the Blessed Mother. So for me, I I, you know, one of the things when you first see us meet.
00:19:22 Jonathan Roumie
In episode 5.
00:19:23 Jonathan Roumie
Before the wedding of Cana, I kind of took her up. I bear hug her and I spin her around and and that was something that I wanted to do because that's how I greet my mother when I haven't seen her in a while. And and.
00:19:36 Jonathan Roumie
My mother's they're.
00:19:36 Jonathan Roumie
About funny enough, they're about the same height. My mom's petite, and so it's an easy thing to do, and anytime I.
00:19:43 Jonathan Roumie
Pick her up. She's literally like laughing because she just she her feet are like 2 feet off the ground at that point. So it it's just the moment of joy for me. And and I just.
00:19:48 Paul Cardall
Not accent.
00:19:54 Jonathan Roumie
Just make sure Dallas was cool with that and he's like, yeah, yeah. Do whatever. So and he's been, you know, great with with allowing us to bring our own personal, you know, Nuggets of of our our own lives into the show as through our characters.
00:20:14 Paul Cardall
There's a word called long-suffering in the scriptures. Everywhere God is, God has long-suffering, meaning he can.
00:20:23 Paul Cardall
Patiently wait for good things to come and I guess an optimist. That's the only way to survive that is to be an optimist.
00:20:33 Jonathan Roumie
Yeah, yeah. I mean, what's your alternative?
00:20:36 Paul Cardall
Right. And you've been doing quite a bit. You've done The Newsroom interns and CIS, you did Ballers.
00:20:36 Jonathan Roumie
You know why?
00:20:41 Paul Cardall
Hart, of Dixie Council Parenthood, Law and order, did a couple soap operas.
00:20:42 Speaker 5
Without it.
00:20:48 Paul Cardall
Yeah, yeah. And this goes on a lot of voiceover work, wonder pets. My kids will be happy about that knowing that.
00:20:55 Jonathan Roumie
Oh yeah.
00:20:55 Paul Cardall
Jesus is all the wonder pets.
00:20:58 Paul Cardall
All those things and it it leads to this.
00:21:03 Paul Cardall
Massive wall.
00:21:06 Paul Cardall
That you are now part of, which is.
00:21:09 Paul Cardall
You are the main character in one of the most important what I believe is one of the most important series that has found a way to be self funded.
00:21:21 Paul Cardall
But he says we're going to do this in complete, you know, season one, Season 2, we're going to go all the way to the resurrection slowly and carefully as a carica wave building the character.
00:21:34 Paul Cardall
In such a profound way that by the time we see you crucified, we're all going to be dying inside.
00:21:42 Paul Cardall
Now you have this major role.
00:21:45 Paul Cardall
How did you feel about all that?
00:21:48 Paul Cardall
Knowing that you would be the son.
00:21:49 CLIP
Of God well.
00:21:52 Jonathan Roumie
You know, I think having played Jesus before for Dallas, specifically in three other projects kind of gave us that shorthand that I knew that we'd have on set.
00:22:09 Speaker 7
From the beginning, there's.
00:22:13 Jonathan Roumie
It's it's been made public what the goal is. The goal is, God willing, eight seasons right of eight episode per season for the show.
00:22:24 Jonathan Roumie
But from the beginning.
00:22:26 Jonathan Roumie
There's never been any idea that anything is set in stone. The most I knew is that we were moving forward with a series that we would shoot at least four episodes. Hopefully we would get to shoot all eight for a season and then hopefully maybe we get a couple of seasons.
00:22:47 Jonathan Roumie
And if we were really lucky.
00:22:50 Jonathan Roumie
Seven or eight seasons by the time the series is done so.
00:22:55 Jonathan Roumie
I've learned to not think about the the entire scope of what it is. I think I my head would probably explode if I tried to really consider what it was that we were trying to tackle here, and I think God is very smart in his design with how he disseminates information and.
00:23:15 Jonathan Roumie
And our experiences on on Earth and in life, knowing what we could and couldn't handle.
00:23:22 Speaker 5
OK.
00:23:23 Jonathan Roumie
And I think also keeping us in faith and as.
00:23:31 Jonathan Roumie
As Dallas and his wife Amanda Jenkins say, keeping us on the the MANA program, the loaves and fishes where, you know, with the MANA program specifically, it's like you just get that day bread, you know, give us this day Our Daily Bread, not your weekly bread, not your monthly.
00:23:48 Jonathan Roumie
Bread. Today's bread. Let's eat today and worry about today. Tomorrow has worries all its own, so I've often reflected on that and I refer to that in my own life. So it's not really. I don't really think about it so much. I just. I know that it's important.
00:24:08 Jonathan Roumie
I know that there is a lot of people that are going to be affected by this and my only.
00:24:18 Jonathan Roumie
If I'm lucky, on a good day, my only thought is or. My only prayer is that Lord let people see not my face today or hear me speaking, but hear Jesus speaking and hear the speak, the spirit speaking through me and and see Jesus within me, portraying me, you know.
00:24:38 Jonathan Roumie
Reenacting these scenes out of scripture and then everything that's extra biblical that's in between Scripture. Let that be inspired by Scripture.
00:24:48 Jonathan Roumie
And let it be, let it resonate with people so that they turn to Scripture and that they're inspired.
00:24:55 Jonathan Roumie
By the word themselves, and to explore and to meet Jesus themselves in the Bible. Now having this, hopefully this relatability, that perhaps they didn't have before or or, you know, debunking these myths about, you know, who the son of God might have been and what it would have.
00:25:15 Jonathan Roumie
Meant to meet him as a human being on this planet. What's you know? Did he laugh? Did he? Did he dance? Did he smile? Did he do these things that we're portraying in the show? And and if we really believe that he was 100% human as well as 100% divine, 100% human and everything except sin, of course.
00:25:35 Jonathan Roumie
We really believe that then we have to believe he experienced everything to every degree that we did and then.
00:25:44 Jonathan Roumie
So that's what we're trying to depict is Jesus, humanity and how and the disciples humanity. They're not just, you know, icons on stained glass.
00:25:56 Jonathan Roumie
They are they.
00:25:57 Jonathan Roumie
Were living, breathing people like you and I sitting here right now having this conversation? And if people can relate to Jesus through their eyes?
00:26:06 Jonathan Roumie
And their experiences and then and be affected by him, then maybe we too can.
00:26:10 Jonathan Roumie
Be affected by Christ in that way.
00:26:11 Paul Cardall
It's fascinating because I'm talking to you and I'm talking to Jonathan. I don't. It's it's amazing how you were able to create.
00:26:20 Paul Cardall
You know, under Dallas's guidance that character, that of Jesus, because it's clearly a separate entity from who you are, you know and.
00:26:31 Paul Cardall
In the music.
00:26:32 Paul Cardall
World you have performers, but then when you meet them, they're just, you know, it's just average guys. Smart, intelligent.
00:26:40 Paul Cardall
Creative people under control.
00:26:43 Paul Cardall
Humility, I believe, is called is strength under control.
00:26:47 Paul Cardall
And you embody that, and yet you've created this Christ, that people are posting images of.
00:26:59 Paul Cardall
That Christ as their Christ.
00:27:02 Paul Cardall
On Facebook and you know of me personally? I've shared a couple of things and you know, I, I I I witness and I I share my feelings a lot about Jesus and I started using that image and it's interesting because I don't even.
00:27:17 Paul Cardall
Put Jonathan in that image. That's not well, you've done that.
00:27:22 Paul Cardall
Job. The other thing that you're.
00:27:24 Paul Cardall
I mean, it's fascinating. I know that you do a lot of advocacy work for.
00:27:32 Paul Cardall
Catholicism and you've been doing prayers, prayer hours nightly and my wife is Catholic and so sometimes I I say what you know, I lean over in bed and I say, what are you listening to? She goes. I'm listening to Jonathan do the rosary.
00:27:49
Ohh wow.
00:27:49 Paul Cardall
It colors.
00:27:52 Paul Cardall
It sounds.
00:27:53 Paul Cardall
Like Jesus is doing the rosary for her and she's having the sacred spiritual experiences, she's drawing closer.
00:27:53 Jonathan Roumie
What an honor.
00:28:04 Paul Cardall
To her, her to God.
00:28:06 Paul Cardall
Because of the work you're doing and we're just one.
00:28:09 Paul Cardall
Family Jonathan. And that's what's brilliant about the gift that.
00:28:13 Paul Cardall
God has given you.
00:28:15 Paul Cardall
We never know. We never know the lives.
00:28:16 Jonathan Roumie
That's good with you.
00:28:19 Paul Cardall
That are impacted by the choices we make.
00:28:23 Paul Cardall
That are all hurt.
00:28:24 Paul Cardall
To just be the best we can do the best we can and it expands.
00:28:31 Paul Cardall
Beyond, so I'm grateful for.
00:28:33 Paul Cardall
The gift God gave you and the ability to to to create what you've created. I do think that it's a.
00:28:41 Paul Cardall
It's, you know, it's.
00:28:43 Paul Cardall
If we go to the business side.
00:28:44 Paul Cardall
Of things, it's Oscar worthy. It's any worthy.
00:28:47 Paul Cardall
And I believe you 31.
00:28:48 Jonathan Roumie
Oh, wow. Thank you.
00:28:50 Paul Cardall
And we will be right back.
00:28:53 Speaker 1
Not only is Paul a podcast host, but has gifted the world with award-winning music that's brought comfort to millions of listeners in more than 160 nations. His latest album, Return Home, is an introspective listening.
00:29:08 Speaker 1
Dance each song carefully crafted takes listeners on a cinematic journey to the lands of his ancestors. In all, return home features 13 songs from his original piano pieces. Shropshire Hills immigrant ships the shores of Normandy, red poppy fields, fathers and daughters. Eliza's theme.
00:29:28 Speaker 1
To arrangements of popular hymns, I believe in Christ and love one another.
00:29:34 Speaker 1
Whether you just need to relax, study, meditate, pray, or for some other healthy reason, Paul's music helps create an atmosphere of peace. Wherever you are. Add Paul Cardell's album return home to your favorite platform, whether it's iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon.
00:29:53 Speaker 1
Pandora or some other for the sheet music and more information, visit www.paulcardall.com.
00:30:03 Paul Cardall
Noah James.
00:30:05 Noah James
For some reason someone had told me that NYU had a great acting program and I looked that one up only and was like, yes, it does look good. Let me only apply there. And so I only applied, which is like the worst advice anyone could ever give.
00:30:23 Noah James
I only applied to NYU and I was I was kind of going. My mom was like, you know, maybe look at some schools on the West Coast you're close. And. And so I was.
00:30:34
Like. Yeah, I'll. I'll.
00:30:36 Noah James
Look and maybe apply at some point and so.
00:30:38 Noah James
Like not paying attention. So I auditioned for NYU early decision and, you know, flew to New York with my mom. And I go upstairs and, you know, you're waiting with all the other kids and everyone is like, it's the most nervous I had ever been. And I didn't even know, like, really, it was. I was very ignorant.
00:30:58 Noah James
This bliss I didn't understand, like how many people are going to be auditioning or anything like that. But so I'm there. I do it and then I get home and I'm like, alright, let's take a few weeks off and then I can look at the other colleges, see what's going on.
00:31:10 Paul Cardall
And when you're auditioning, you're getting like.
00:31:12 Paul Cardall
A monologue of some kind.
00:31:14 Noah James
I did 2.
00:31:16 Noah James
I is that where I did 2 monologues. I had a dramatic monologue and a comedic monologue, and then I had.
00:31:25 Paul Cardall
Which one did you think was better, comedic or dramatic?
00:31:28 Noah James
They were both probably bad. I think they both were bad. If I look back like they, I would have probably said that my dramatic monologue was good and then looking back, I'm like, what was I doing? Just very strange.
00:31:47 Noah James
Idea of how to be dramatic, you know, just not, but kids. And I always sort of had a a.
00:31:54 Noah James
An innate, you know, I I understood performance and and how to be on stage and you know, make people laugh. So I got the comedic stuff and the the dramatic stuff was I don't know I I.
00:32:06 Noah James
I I definitely had.
00:32:07 Noah James
To go to school and learn I'm I'm happy they let me in.
00:32:11 Paul Cardall
For those that have watched the shows and we're big chosen people.
00:32:15 Paul Cardall
When we saw your character of Andrew, you're very soft spoken. You're very you're the virtual one because your character is the first to.
00:32:26 Paul Cardall
Recognize that you know Jesus of Nazareth is the life of God. You are following John the Baptist. As the story goes, John tells you to take. You know, this isn't in the chosen, but go follow the other guy because I can't even match it. His shoes or something like that and.
00:32:47 Paul Cardall
But then, here's your personality. In real life like this is the brilliance of acting you self going and fun and comedic, and yet you have this serious.