Former Chief Creative Officer at Ramsey Solutions (Dave Ramsey’s Company) Luke LeFevre is my guest on Ep. 88. We explore Luke’s expertise on with the powerful tool of Journaling that allows us to delve into the depths of our thoughts, emotions, and experiences. It is a form of reflective writing that helps us gain clarity, insight, and personal growth. The art of journaling is not only a means of self-expression but also a gateway to self-discovery.
Former Chief Creative Officer at Ramsey Solutions (Dave Ramsey’s Company) Luke LeFevre is my guest on Ep. 88. We explore Luke’s expertise on with the powerful tool of Journaling that allows us to delve into the depths of our thoughts, emotions, and experiences. It is a form of reflective writing that helps us gain clarity, insight, and personal growth. The art of journaling is not only a means of self-expression but also a gateway to self-discovery.
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Luke LeFevre in his own words:
My name is Luke LeFevre and I know what it feels like to be stuck, restless, and angry. I also know what it feels like to have a stirring and know there is something more, and where I am now “ain’t” it, but I have no idea what to do next.
But, after over 20 years of stumbling, fighting, studying, researching, working through battles, and seeing this same pattern in hundreds of creative people in my C-suite, executive, and coaching roles, I have found there is a path and there are practices that can lead you from being stuck, restless and stirred to unlocked and thriving.
God put something inside of YOU before YOU were born, something you can’t help but be, and He is pulling YOU to it. There is a way to see where you are on this path and what it will take to continue to follow.
These feelings of being stuck, restless, and stirred aren’t bad feelings.
These feelings are coming from God.
He is pulling you!
You are not stuck.
You are not lost!
You are on a path.
This PULL will lead you to your PURPOSE.
God wants to pull you through this path and create something with you through, through you, and most importantly...in you.
It takes a lot of work, but it isn’t just any kind of work, it is work that transforms us. This work will transform YOU in ways you can't imagine and YOU will create things you can't imagine!
That process is more than just work...it is Holy Work.
ABOUT OUR HOST
Paul Cardall, an acclaimed Dove Award-winning musician, composer, and producer, is renowned for his music that acts as a conduit to tranquility and spiritual introspection. Boasting over 3 billion lifetime streams, 11 No. 1 Billboard albums, and recognition as one of the world's premier pianists by Steinway & Sons, Paul's diverse repertoire spans Classical, Christian, and New Age genres. His extraordinary journey includes overcoming health challenges, notably being born with half a heart and undergoing a life-saving heart transplant in 2009.
Inspired by his experiences, Paul has dedicated his life's mission to crafting healing piano music that resonates physically and emotionally. Beyond his musical accomplishments, he actively engages in philanthropy, collaborating with organizations such as The Ryan Seacrest Foundation and supporting causes like the fight against human trafficking.
His album, "Return Home," showcases 13 improvisational piano pieces, a departure from his usual compositional approach. It invites listeners on a cinematic voyage through the landscapes of his European heritage. The album, inspired by his deep connection with his wife Tina and their journey through her family's homeland in Slovenia, underscores the power of music to connect us to our past. It serves as a testament to Paul Cardall's enduring impact as an artist and empathetic soul.
WEBSITE: http://www.paulcardall.com
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FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/paulcardallmusic
YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/cardall
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I'm excited because I got my good buddy,
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Luke Lefevre here today.
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He's got 20 plus years of
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experience working with
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creatives and business owners.
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And he's a guy who is such a
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creative that it caught the
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attention of Dave Ramsey.
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Dave Ramsey hired him.
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to be the chief creative
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officer for his entire
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company in an effort to try
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to bring awareness to him.
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But since that time,
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the thing that he is doing
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that I wanted to bring him
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on to talk about
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is the importance of journaling.
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A couple episodes ago,
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we had some heavy subjects
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talking about grief,
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the various stages of grief.
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We talked about guilt in grief.
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And one of the number one
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things they say to do when
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you're trying to process
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this pain that's come as a
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result of losing somebody is journaling.
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And also,
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you don't necessarily have to be
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going through grief in order to do this.
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It has so many benefits.
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So I want to bring on my good buddy,
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Luke Lefevre.
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Hey, good.
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Great.
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Great to be here, Paul.
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We're making it happen.
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It's great to talk to you.
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How long have we known each other?
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Maybe a year.
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Maybe less than a year.
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Ryan,
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we got us together at his house one
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time and we hit it off.
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It's cool.
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We have a group of guys, a lot of times,
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you know,
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they're all connected to somebody, but,
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uh, yeah, like Luke said, we get,
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we get together and just sit around.
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A lot of us talk, talk live, talk Jesus.
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And the beautiful thing is
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there's no transaction.
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No.
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In those relationships.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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It's, it's just a good,
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it's been really good for
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me this last year, uh,
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transitioning from what
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I've been doing for a long
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time to something new.
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And it was just good to have
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a new group of friends and
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people to be involved with.
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And you're one of those.
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So I'm very grateful for you.
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I'm honored that man,
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the feeling is mutual.
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Um, it's important that, uh, men, uh,
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fellowship it's hard it's
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super weird and hard and I
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don't know why that is uh
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it was I mean just friday
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so today's the 14th yeah
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just friday uh it was a day
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where I didn't have any
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meetings and so I was at home working on
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the website and, you know, just stuff.
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And I got to like three 30 and I was like,
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I got to get out of here.
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And well, like, who do I text?
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Like, I've got a bunch of people I could,
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you know, it's texted some old friends.
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Hey, let's go get a drink.
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hang out for a bit, you know?
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And so we did, and it was,
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it was exactly what I needed that day.
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So yeah,
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friends are weird for dudes and
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you just gotta keep,
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you just gotta keep showing up, you know?
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And that's hard.
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I don't know why, but it's hard.
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You know,
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I've talked about this with a couple,
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a couple other people.
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Do you think it's because you,
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When, you know,
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I've always had this idea that, look,
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there's a system in place
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and you're supposed to do this,
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this and this.
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And by the time you graduate
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from high school,
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you go to college and that
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you fall in love and you get married,
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you kind of you got you got
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your buddies up until like
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you get married.
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And then you're so devoted to providing,
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you know, even, you know,
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your wife is working or
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she's not working.
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You're both trying to
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survive in today's economy.
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You got gas, $5, you know,
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out in Vegas per gallon, which is insane.
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But,
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but we dive so much into our work and
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about.
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there's this ambition always
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in the human spirit to rise, to level up.
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So, you know,
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most of us go golfing or do
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things with people
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associated with work where
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there's a transactional relationship.
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So we kind of, we don't, you know,
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do you think that's kind of.
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I think partly it's that I
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haven't put too much thought to it,
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but I have two boys and two girls.
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And so it's interesting to
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see the difference between
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girls and boys.
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So my two boys use, you know,
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stereotypically or whatever,
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about one quarter of the
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amount of words that the
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girls do in any kind of thing.
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And the girls just like hanging out,
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like they'll,
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they'll just come and
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they'll just sit with me or, or whatever.
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And my daughter Emery was
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just in here and she had
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the dog and she was just hanging around.
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Well, there's nothing really to do.
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But the boys, if there's something to do,
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they like to go do that together.
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You know,
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let's go play basketball or let's
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go to the store, you know,
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to get something.
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So there's like a let's do
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something together.
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And it probably just goes
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till we get older.
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It's a little sidetracked,
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but there's this book I read called.
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your favorite band is killing me.
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And it's by Stephen Hayden.
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It's a great book.
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And he just,
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he does all these contrasts
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and I know it sounds like
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out of left field,
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but what he's talking about
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is conflicts in rock music.
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And so he brought up Jack
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White and Dan Auerbach from
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Black Keys and White Stripes.
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And he's,
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and apparently they have some beef.
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I don't know what, you know,
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who knows if it's real,
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but they have some beef
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together and he goes onto
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this whole tangent.
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He's like,
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Listen,
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they're both at the time in their
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upper 30s.
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They both have successful
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rock bands in the
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alternative rock music genre.
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They both probably have kids
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that are the same age.
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They both probably go to the same schools.
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Their kids go, why can't they be friends?
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Yeah.
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They should be friends.
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I know.
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No kidding.
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No kidding.
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But I, Hey, listen in the music business,
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you kind of create these rivals.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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That's how you, you know, you, you, you,
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you start up and you get
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some media press.
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It's like at the Grammys,
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there was Lana Del Rey and
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Taylor Swift up for the, you know,
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a grammy they were competing
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with each other and so fans
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always you know even my
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daughter was like oh you
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know lana and taylor don't
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like each other but you
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know what they were sitting
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next to the super bowl
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Not only at the Super Bowl,
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but at the Grammys.
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Oh, really?
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So, you know,
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it's this kind of this strategy.
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Exactly.
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But in the real world, yeah,
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those kind of things happen.
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There's this competition
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within the workforce.
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And, you know, so we're, you know,
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and back to the men where
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we're constantly going and going,
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you know,
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I think we do nothing compared
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to what women do.
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um working they're a lot
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more nurturing with the
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children you know plus they
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have to kind of raise us
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they they don't want to but
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but you know they're forced
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Yeah.
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They're forced to, and you know,
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we're just beating our chest.
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Yeah.
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Woman.
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Just this morning, you know,
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you can cut this out
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because it's Valentine's day.
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I don't know if you care if
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there's dates involved here,
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but I was meeting with a
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group of people that I meet
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with on Wednesday mornings.
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And one of them is a lady and she's like,
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well,
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I'm getting home and we're doing
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Valentine's day.
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And we do like whipped cream
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waffles and with the kids and we,
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we put food coloring in and
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make it a whole thing.
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And, and I'm like,
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that's a great idea.
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I haven't thought of anything, you know?
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And I was like, man,
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women just make things into
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events and they make memories.
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My wife is so good at that.
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She's like, I want to,
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let's do experiences
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together and make memories
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and all this stuff.
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And I'm so grateful for it.
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Cause I'm like, man, if it was up to me,
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I'd be thinking of it last minute.
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And then, um,
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stumbling through it so it's
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I'm very grateful for all
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that's in my life yeah it
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sounds like you've got a
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you know an amazing wife
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and that woman who says has
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waffles and yeah put some
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whipped cream on there you
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know yeah that's that
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sounds pretty good you got
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to put you also got to put
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some chocolate syrup a
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little bit of sprinkles and
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nuts here's what happened i
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And I was at the grocery store.
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So after I had that meeting
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with that group this
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morning where she mentioned
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she was going to make these waffles,
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I was like, that's a great idea.
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So I run over to the grocery
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store right after and I'm like, well,
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I'll come home and I'll
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make some pink pancakes and stuff.
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So I go to Publix and I grab
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the pancake mix and I have
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it under my arm.
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And then I grab some flowers,
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some roses too.
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And then I have a thing of whipped cream.
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The only thing you can see
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in my hands is the whipped
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cream and the roses.
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Oh, boy.
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Oh, boy.
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And I get to the register
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and he can't see the eggs
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or the pancake mix.
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And I get to the register and the guy goes,
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oh, I see what you got here.
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And I was like, man,
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I'm making pancakes for my kids.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well,
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maybe that's the code word with the wife.
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Hey, let's go make pancakes.
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Yes, exactly.
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Exactly.
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Awesome.
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But, you know,
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but we're talking about with Luke,
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we get so involved in life, you know,
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with with taking care of kids,
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working and we're going, going, going.
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So many of us forget to slow down.
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Yeah.
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Slow our mind down.
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and rest.
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And I heard, Luke,
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a sermon from Rick Warren,
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who my wife used to work
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for at Saddleback Church in California.
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And Rick Warren was talking
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about that commandment, thou shalt rest.
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And yet, Sundays,
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and for other Christians it's Saturday,
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but you spend that day really
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doing a lot.
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You go to church,
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you have communion with
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each other by being around each other.
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You're invested in the
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emotional state of other people.
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And then it's sports
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afternoon on TV or wherever
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you go or you do an adventure.
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So you're not really resting.
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And his point is we need to
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pick a day to slow down.
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Even if it's half a day.
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Which as you've learned,
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and this is why you do it.
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Yeah.
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People.
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And I'm generalizing because
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people have discipline and
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then there's people who just,
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they just don't know what to do.
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So let's go through what
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you're doing to help solve
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that problem and encourage
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people and teaching them how.
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Yeah,
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and the teaching how came from just
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my experience.
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It was, so I'm 44 now.
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When I was about 29, about 30 years old,
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um me and my wife were going
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through a really hard time
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I was a pretty discontent
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person I had a bunch of
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addictions you know just a
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bunch of crap in my in my
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life and I would profess to
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be a believer in in jesus
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at that point but I wasn't
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actively seeking him in my
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life and me and my wife got
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to a point where I was I
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was ready to be done um
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making a long story short
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but I i just couldn't
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deal with this discontentment I had.
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And I started to blame her
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for this discontentment.
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And I was out running one
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time and this was in 2010.
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I was out for a run and my
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brain just started to, you know,
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fill itself with all the thoughts.
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And I had started to blame
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her for my discontentment
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because we had been
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together for so long
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because we got married really young.
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And I was like, well,
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we just got married too young and blah,
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blah, blah.
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So my brain was just kind of
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putting all these issues
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that were totally mine
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on her.
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And when I was out for this run,
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I actually started to think, Oh man, I'm,
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I might have to get a divorce.
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Like I can't do this.
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And when I started to have those thoughts,
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I started crying.
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Like I was just kind of at a
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rock bottom spot.
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And in reality,
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it was a whole lot of nothing.
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She was doing it and mostly in my head.
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And when I was having those thoughts,
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I felt like,
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what I describe as a
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giant... I don't know why I
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describe it this way,
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but a giant thumb on the back of my body.
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And it just sort of smacked
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me out of that.
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And I sensed the words,
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be still and know that I'm God.
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I didn't hear it.
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It just smacked me.
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And it was...
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It was a real thing.
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And that doesn't happen to
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me all the time.
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I think that time is the
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only one I can actually
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remember in my whole life
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where something weird like that happened.
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So I got home and I didn't
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tell Mandy any of that,
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but I just kind of
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processed what the heck was that?
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And honestly, what I started to think was,
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God, was that you?
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Huh?
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If that was you...
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then that means you're real.
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And if you're real,
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then maybe what is said in this Bible,
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these scriptures,
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is true and like I said I
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I'd grown up around the
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church I had been a
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quote-unquote christian my
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whole life but I was not I
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was not behaving that way
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in my life yeah yeah and
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when I wasn't all in and
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when I started to think
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that way like oh my
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goodness maybe this is not
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just something my parents
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brought me up with maybe
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this is a real thing and so
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I got home and I felt a
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nudge to write Mandy a letter.
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Like I felt like she was like,
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you need to tell Mandy the
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truth about everything.
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The truth will set you free.
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That's what I kind of sensed.
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And so I did,
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I got out my computer and I
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started typing and I just
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told her all my doubts.
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I just told the truth, all my doubts,
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my fears, what my brain was doing.
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And at the end I said,
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but I think what I'm
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thinking is distorted in some way.
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And I'm willing to fight for
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this if you are.
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And she thankfully said, yeah, I'm in.
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And so we started going to a counselor.
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We started working on our relationship.
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But the prompting to write a
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letter and tell her the
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truth stuck with me.
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And I thought, man,
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I told Mandy the truth.
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And I thought it was going
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to hurt our relationship.
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But it actually made it better.
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And then what if I started
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to do that with God?
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What if I got up in the
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mornings and I started
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writing what I was actually
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thinking and feeling to God?
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And so I did.
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This was, yeah, 2010.
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I just started getting up
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early and writing and I'd
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read a chapter of the Bible
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and I'd write what I was
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actually thinking about it.
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Not like what I thought I
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was supposed to say,
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not what my pastor would
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think was appropriate, not what, you know,
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impressing my dad or something.
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It was just the real honest
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thoughts of God.
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of what Luke was going through.
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And I would end it with,
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please be my guide and teacher.
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And so I started that 2010, did that 2011,
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2012 for five years.
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And I really didn't tell
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anybody that story.
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I did it for about five years,
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just getting up.
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But about five years in,
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I had just kind of started
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to realize that I was
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having favor at work.
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You mentioned I was at Ramsey.
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I was put in some leadership
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positions there.
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And
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I just was like, whoa,
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seek ye first the kingdom
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of God and all these things
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will be added unto you.
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What I was really doing was
0:15:31.667 --> 0:15:33.226
just seeking God first in
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my life and telling him the
0:15:35.748 --> 0:15:38.687
real stuff of what I was going through.
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In 2015,
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I started to tell a version of
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that story to a few people
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because they would be
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struggling with something.
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I'd be like, man,
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you should get up tomorrow, get a journal,
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and just write something.
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for like two pages.
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Just, just don't stop.
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Just write exactly what
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you're thinking and feeling.
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And then they would do it
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and they'd come back and they'd be like,
0:16:00.586 --> 0:16:03.128
Luke, uh, I don't know what, uh,
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I'm not sure what happened,
0:16:04.849 --> 0:16:06.629
but it was incredible, you know?
0:16:06.669 --> 0:16:06.990
And they would,
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they would say stuff like that.
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So I'd be like, Oh, cool.
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Yeah.
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And and so they started talking about it.
0:16:14.201 --> 0:16:15.500
And I kind of over the last
0:16:15.561 --> 0:16:16.740
few years of my time at Ramsey,
0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:17.942
I was there almost 15 years.
0:16:18.422 --> 0:16:19.022
I was known as the
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journaling guy because I
0:16:20.481 --> 0:16:21.881
would I would teach on it
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and I would talk about it
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because what I learned now
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15 years later is I mean,
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there's science behind this.
0:16:28.563 --> 0:16:29.683
There's oh, for sure.
0:16:29.923 --> 0:16:30.663
There's so much science.
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But what I learned through
0:16:31.724 --> 0:16:33.544
just experience was I was
0:16:33.684 --> 0:16:35.865
processing what all the
0:16:35.904 --> 0:16:36.784
things in my brain were
0:16:36.845 --> 0:16:38.686
doing in a quiet place.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And what it does is
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journaling acts like a
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budget for your brain.
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You know,
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when you have a bunch of bills
0:16:46.333 --> 0:16:47.554
out there or something and you're like,
0:16:47.595 --> 0:16:48.716
well, I know I got to deal with that.
0:16:48.736 --> 0:16:49.738
And you finally just get out
0:16:49.778 --> 0:16:50.798
and you write it all down
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and you're just like, oh,
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I owe this bill.
0:16:52.942 --> 0:16:53.481
I owe that bill.
0:16:53.522 --> 0:16:54.082
I owe this bill.
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It's the same when you
0:16:55.423 --> 0:16:56.926
journal and you just get
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all the thoughts that are
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in your head out there.
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And I think from a Christian
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perspective is you are,
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Jesus says not to let all
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the cares of this world bother you.
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Well,
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this is you giving all the cares of
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this world to him and saying,
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here's all the stuff I'm worried about.
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I lift it up to you.
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Please redeem the crap that
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needs to be redeemed and
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help me learn what you're
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trying to teach.
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And so I've been doing that
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for 15 years now and
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talking to other people
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about it and helping them do it too.
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Yeah, and before we get into that,
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I want to ask you, well,
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there's a couple questions.
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I'm sure.
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You know,
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I just Googled real quick the
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importance of keeping a journal,
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and University of Rochester
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Medical Center said keeping
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a journal helps you create
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order when your world feels
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like it's in chaos.
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Yes.
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So I want to go back, though,
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because you –
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use journaling as a process
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to organize the chaos in your life.
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And you mentioned that what
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you're doing is you're
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getting up in the morning
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and you're reading
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know a chapter or whatever
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of the bible then you
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journal um before that and
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I think this resonates with
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a lot of people but before
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that did you feel like oh
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from a different
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perspective oh I should be
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reading I should be reading
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the bible oh yeah and I'm not I should be
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Yeah.
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And so there's that guilt,
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there's that shame of, oh my gosh,
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I'm not doing these things.
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So I'm like committing these
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little sins of transgression,
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things that you probably should be doing,
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but you have to reap the
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consequences of the fact
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that you're not doing it.
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Yeah.
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So did you fall into the
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journaling because you are a creative?
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Oh, good question.
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Because you are a chief
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creative officer for these brands.
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And so you're used to
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creating creative plans to organize this.
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So the question is,
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do you think it's because
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you're a creative soul or
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how can people who are not
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creatives get to that point
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where they want to journal?
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And let me paraphrase by saying,
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God was changing your heart.
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So this was part of the motivation.
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And that's not teeing up a softball,
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but how do people that are
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not creatives understand how to do this?
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To answer a couple of the
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questions that were in there,
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I'll start with...
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There was a whole lot of
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shoulds in my life beforehand.
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Like I said,
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I grew up in a little
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Christian school and it was
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called the quiet time when
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I was growing up.
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And did you have your quiet time?
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And it was almost a
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legalistic thing growing up.
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So I didn't have it.
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And I felt bad about that.
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And when I was at that
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lowest point with the stuff
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going on with Mandy and I,
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I started writing out of desperation.
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It was the truth will set you free.
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So I,
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it might be partly because I'm a
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creative and I, you know,
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I've written songs throughout my life.
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Writing is a thing that is
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part of my life and it
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might've been a way to express that.
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But what I've learned on the
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science side is that,
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There's a there's a book I
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reference all the time
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called The Body Keeps the
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Score by Dr. Bessel van der
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Kolk is his name.
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Great, great book.
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And yeah, it's incredible.
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And he I was reading this
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not because I was
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interested in journaling,
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but because I was
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interested in psychology
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and all this stuff.
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And he says that people who
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write their honest thoughts
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and feelings out are
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When you ask your editor to leave,
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things will come out that
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you had no idea were there.
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He says, when you do that,
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50% of the people that do
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that have less doctor visits,
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better physical health,
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and better mental health.
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And so...
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It's like one of those
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things where I might have
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been drawn to it because I
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was a creative person,
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but just like working out
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and going to the gym,
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some people are more apt to
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just be workout people.
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I'm not one of those.
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I've had to build the skill
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of working out into my life.
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Yeah, discipline.
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Discipline.
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This is one of those
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practices that you have to
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build into your life
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because your mind and your brain is,
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I don't know if the doctors
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would agree with this,
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but I think it's like a
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muscle that must be worked out.
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For sure.
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And when you like, well,
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I'm not a natural journaler
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or this doesn't work for me or whatever.
0:21:43.792 --> 0:21:45.492
That's like saying, well,
0:21:45.573 --> 0:21:48.094
pushups don't work for me, you know?
0:21:48.294 --> 0:21:49.054
Well, yeah,
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probably because you did it for
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three days and then haven't
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done it for a year.
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And so I building this habit of, um,
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Just getting up and writing
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longhand in a notebook with
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a pen for three pages.
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Just write nonstop for three pages.
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You'll be like,
0:22:08.276 --> 0:22:09.457
what the heck is this even about?
0:22:09.537 --> 0:22:10.919
Don't edit anything you're writing.
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Don't worry about spelling or grammar.
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Just write for three pages
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or 10-ish to 15 minutes straight.
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And by the end, if you don't stop,
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about the five or six minute mark,
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you will have gotten
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through all your self doubt.
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You'll just have been
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writing and eventually
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you'll stop caring about
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what's happening and stuff
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will start to come out that
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you didn't know was there.
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And if you build that habit
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into your soul and your mind,
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your brain will start to
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have a stronger attention span too,
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but it will start to file
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away things in the appropriate way.
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Like I was saying, a budget for your mind.
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Um,
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so I don't know if that answers your
0:22:49.731 --> 0:22:52.212
question about non-creatives, but it's,
0:22:52.813 --> 0:22:55.094
it's kind of like, um, you know,
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we all know we need to
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exercise more and eat less.
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Uh, and we could say, oh,
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that's not for me.
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And I don't want this
0:23:03.817 --> 0:23:07.098
journaling thing to turn into a, um, a,
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you know, a should or should not,
0:23:09.660 --> 0:23:12.101
or a chore or a legalistic thing either.
0:23:12.601 --> 0:23:13.342
This is about
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this is an and honestly,
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I probably do it three or
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four times a week.
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Now.
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It's not every day.
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Partly because it's like,
0:23:25.295 --> 0:23:27.276
I do it now on a regular basis,
0:23:27.316 --> 0:23:29.176
but it's still not every day anymore.
0:23:29.936 --> 0:23:31.317
And I because I don't want
0:23:31.337 --> 0:23:32.398
it to be a legalistic thing.
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I don't want it to be a drag.
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I want it to be something healthy.
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And even when you work out,
0:23:38.442 --> 0:23:39.721
you need to take rest days from it.
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So anyways,
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I don't know if that answers
0:23:41.742 --> 0:23:42.364
all your questions.
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But
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Yeah, and from personal experience,
0:23:45.170 --> 0:23:46.851
if I can share a personal story,
0:23:46.871 --> 0:23:49.753
I come from a faith where
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journaling was a commandment.
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Keep a record.
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And so when we started as kids,
0:23:59.103 --> 0:24:01.585
even the ability to write, my dad,
0:24:01.625 --> 0:24:03.287
who was actually a broadcast journalist,
0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.864
who had to write stories to
0:24:08.044 --> 0:24:09.566
clarify what's happening.
0:24:10.066 --> 0:24:10.287
Yeah.
0:24:10.606 --> 0:24:12.769
We were taught to keep a journal.
0:24:12.809 --> 0:24:13.830
And when I was eight years old,
0:24:13.891 --> 0:24:15.752
I was given a little book.
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And I remember the first
0:24:17.736 --> 0:24:20.038
thing I journaled was about a dream I had
0:24:21.295 --> 0:24:21.535
Um,
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I think I was like eight years old and
0:24:23.497 --> 0:24:23.836
there was,
0:24:24.218 --> 0:24:25.759
I liked some girl and it was like,
0:24:25.999 --> 0:24:26.920
it was anyways,
0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:29.082
that's the very first thing I ever wrote.
0:24:29.102 --> 0:24:30.083
And then I drew,
0:24:30.103 --> 0:24:31.403
I drew this little figure
0:24:31.443 --> 0:24:32.263
of there was this girl.
0:24:32.284 --> 0:24:32.984
Yeah.
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Just like a stick figure with a dress.
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Um, but,
0:24:37.127 --> 0:24:39.631
but we were consistently doing it and,
0:24:39.891 --> 0:24:41.051
and I've been blessed
0:24:41.132 --> 0:24:42.893
because I've journaled ever since that,
0:24:43.614 --> 0:24:47.217
that day, not, not every day, but I,
0:24:47.376 --> 0:24:49.378
I have books upon books, um,
0:24:50.618 --> 0:24:52.701
Um, and without that, without that,
0:24:53.361 --> 0:24:53.701
you know, um,
0:24:55.282 --> 0:24:56.002
I don't know that I could
0:24:56.042 --> 0:24:58.065
have processed what was going on now,
0:24:58.085 --> 0:24:58.645
my dad.
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Oh, and, but,
0:25:00.307 --> 0:25:01.047
and I want to get to this
0:25:01.086 --> 0:25:04.009
other point is my dad also keeps a record,
0:25:04.930 --> 0:25:06.372
but one thing he also does
0:25:06.612 --> 0:25:08.053
as kind of a patriarch of a,
0:25:08.532 --> 0:25:09.894
of a large family.
0:25:10.114 --> 0:25:13.017
And he's very persistent in, in his views.
0:25:13.656 --> 0:25:14.978
And I have so much love and
0:25:15.018 --> 0:25:15.939
respect for him because
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he's so disciplined in it.
0:25:18.766 --> 0:25:20.488
But I think a large part of
0:25:20.548 --> 0:25:23.630
it is because as he reads scripture,
0:25:23.650 --> 0:25:26.913
he will journal what it means to him.
0:25:26.932 --> 0:25:28.134
And then he sends out a
0:25:28.173 --> 0:25:31.576
group text to the entire family.
0:25:32.178 --> 0:25:34.619
So like Father Abraham,
0:25:35.961 --> 0:25:38.883
we get taught and preached to.
0:25:39.384 --> 0:25:40.484
And I think it's a beautiful thing.
0:25:40.505 --> 0:25:42.286
But I think that in and of itself,
0:25:42.346 --> 0:25:45.808
that practice has helped secure faith.
0:25:46.650 --> 0:25:48.171
his own personal faith in
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god um so so I think the
0:25:52.854 --> 0:25:53.694
one of the points you're
0:25:53.734 --> 0:25:55.797
saying is that if when you
0:25:55.836 --> 0:25:56.856
are journaling and
0:25:56.916 --> 0:25:59.778
involving god into the
0:25:59.838 --> 0:26:02.401
process yeah there's real
0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.782
spiritual and mental growth
0:26:05.188 --> 0:26:05.407
Yes.
0:26:05.968 --> 0:26:07.288
So there's, you know, all the,
0:26:07.528 --> 0:26:08.729
all the scientific teaching
0:26:08.769 --> 0:26:10.369
out there about journaling is,
0:26:10.809 --> 0:26:12.990
is that mental side and it's, you know,
0:26:13.170 --> 0:26:14.510
clearing out your brain and,
0:26:14.730 --> 0:26:16.070
and getting things organized.
0:26:16.592 --> 0:26:17.811
But I don't want people to
0:26:17.872 --> 0:26:20.053
just journal for journal's sake, you know,
0:26:20.853 --> 0:26:22.673
good, good job at mental health and,
0:26:22.833 --> 0:26:24.013
you know, all of those things.
0:26:24.034 --> 0:26:25.034
That's a side benefit.
0:26:25.794 --> 0:26:27.375
I want us to get quiet enough
0:26:28.378 --> 0:26:29.599
so that we can actually hear
0:26:29.900 --> 0:26:30.820
your God more clearly.
0:26:31.761 --> 0:26:33.563
When you get quiet and you
0:26:33.603 --> 0:26:35.304
work through what I call
0:26:35.964 --> 0:26:37.326
stealing from Dallas Willard,
0:26:37.365 --> 0:26:39.528
this epidermis level stuff.
0:26:40.268 --> 0:26:42.009
So in the journaling teaching that I do,
0:26:42.349 --> 0:26:43.250
there's four layers.
0:26:43.750 --> 0:26:44.531
There's the first layer,
0:26:44.551 --> 0:26:45.813
which is the epidermis layer.
0:26:46.032 --> 0:26:47.054
Think of it like your skin.
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The next layer is the muscle layer.
0:26:50.296 --> 0:26:51.277
It's a little deeper.
0:26:51.916 --> 0:26:53.258
The next layer is the heart layer.
0:26:54.038 --> 0:26:54.959
just a little deeper than that.
0:26:55.058 --> 0:26:56.740
And then the last one is the bone layer.
0:26:57.279 --> 0:26:58.819
And so in the, in the first layer,
0:26:58.859 --> 0:27:01.361
the epidermis layer, what you're doing is,
0:27:01.701 --> 0:27:02.161
is what I would,
0:27:02.361 --> 0:27:03.500
we've been talking about so far.
0:27:03.641 --> 0:27:04.842
It's the 10 minutes of just
0:27:05.182 --> 0:27:07.082
nonstop writing what you're,
0:27:07.402 --> 0:27:08.502
you're just getting through
0:27:08.722 --> 0:27:09.482
all of the stuff that's
0:27:09.502 --> 0:27:10.563
just knocking around in your brain.
0:27:11.163 --> 0:27:11.784
Oh, the laundry.
0:27:11.983 --> 0:27:12.644
I got the bills.
0:27:12.763 --> 0:27:13.644
I got to pick up the kids.
0:27:13.844 --> 0:27:14.683
Oh, Valentine's day.
0:27:14.723 --> 0:27:15.483
Did I get flowers?
0:27:15.523 --> 0:27:17.085
You know, like all this stuff.
0:27:17.866 --> 0:27:19.087
That's the first 10 minutes.
0:27:19.489 --> 0:27:20.789
But what happens is as you
0:27:20.809 --> 0:27:22.511
work through this epidermis level stuff,
0:27:22.652 --> 0:27:23.792
you get a little deeper,
0:27:23.952 --> 0:27:25.134
what I call the muscle.
0:27:25.714 --> 0:27:25.934
Okay.
0:27:25.954 --> 0:27:28.557
Where you're less worried about, okay,
0:27:28.576 --> 0:27:29.719
we got to get groceries today.
0:27:30.098 --> 0:27:31.180
And you're more worried about,
0:27:31.759 --> 0:27:33.102
am I a good father?
0:27:33.122 --> 0:27:34.323
Am I...
0:27:36.071 --> 0:27:37.811
doing my purpose on the
0:27:37.872 --> 0:27:39.472
earth you know you finally
0:27:39.893 --> 0:27:41.873
slow down the epidermis
0:27:41.913 --> 0:27:43.232
stuff to start asking
0:27:43.292 --> 0:27:45.213
deeper questions it happens
0:27:45.253 --> 0:27:46.673
inevitably I did something
0:27:46.874 --> 0:27:48.974
uh a few weeks ago uh with
0:27:49.015 --> 0:27:49.994
a group I led them through
0:27:50.015 --> 0:27:52.275
an hour-long session and in
0:27:52.295 --> 0:27:53.815
this session I have you
0:27:53.875 --> 0:27:56.756
just write I for 12 to 15
0:27:56.756 --> 0:27:58.155
minutes and inevitably
0:27:58.615 --> 0:27:59.836
halfway through that period
0:27:59.856 --> 0:28:01.336
of time you'll start to hear sniffles
0:28:02.536 --> 0:28:04.798
And I didn't even prompt a
0:28:04.857 --> 0:28:05.778
difficult question.
0:28:06.358 --> 0:28:07.779
It was just start writing.
0:28:08.059 --> 0:28:09.740
Don't stop for 15 minutes.
0:28:10.622 --> 0:28:11.662
About six, seven minutes in,
0:28:11.701 --> 0:28:12.343
you'll start to hear
0:28:12.383 --> 0:28:13.463
sniffles because people are
0:28:13.503 --> 0:28:14.564
starting to work through
0:28:14.604 --> 0:28:16.305
and they're finally calming
0:28:16.365 --> 0:28:18.487
down their brain to get to
0:28:18.527 --> 0:28:19.448
the stuff that's really
0:28:19.548 --> 0:28:20.508
important to them.
0:28:21.489 --> 0:28:22.169
And then when they start
0:28:22.209 --> 0:28:23.410
writing that stuff that's
0:28:23.450 --> 0:28:24.111
important to them,
0:28:25.232 --> 0:28:26.556
Then they start releasing it
0:28:26.596 --> 0:28:28.578
to God and saying, hey, God,
0:28:28.619 --> 0:28:29.161
where are we at?
0:28:29.902 --> 0:28:30.804
What do you want me to do?
0:28:30.903 --> 0:28:31.605
And that's where the heart
0:28:31.644 --> 0:28:32.626
layer comes in because if
0:28:32.686 --> 0:28:33.328
we're believers,
0:28:34.286 --> 0:28:36.547
And we have asked God to be
0:28:36.586 --> 0:28:37.788
the king of our lives.
0:28:37.887 --> 0:28:39.788
He is with us in spirit and
0:28:39.868 --> 0:28:42.190
so in our hearts.
0:28:42.450 --> 0:28:44.590
And so you can trust where he's leading.
0:28:44.750 --> 0:28:45.951
And so that's that third layer,
0:28:46.011 --> 0:28:46.652
the heart layer,
0:28:47.313 --> 0:28:49.433
where what am I actually feeling, God?
0:28:49.554 --> 0:28:51.013
And what are you trying to say to me?
0:28:51.054 --> 0:28:52.055
And so we incorporate some
0:28:52.115 --> 0:28:53.336
silence into it as well.
0:28:53.756 --> 0:28:55.457
We can say, okay, God,
0:28:55.936 --> 0:28:57.317
with all this stuff I just wrote,
0:28:58.557 --> 0:28:59.979
what is it you want to say to me?
0:29:01.394 --> 0:29:02.494
And then you just listen for
0:29:02.515 --> 0:29:03.134
a couple minutes.
0:29:03.234 --> 0:29:04.875
And sometimes you're like, is this God?
0:29:04.935 --> 0:29:05.656
What is this?
0:29:06.096 --> 0:29:06.998
And you just write it down
0:29:07.038 --> 0:29:08.038
and sometimes there's nothing.
0:29:08.578 --> 0:29:09.680
But if you do that on a
0:29:09.740 --> 0:29:10.740
regular basis over the
0:29:10.779 --> 0:29:12.121
course of weeks or months,
0:29:12.161 --> 0:29:12.821
you'll start to see
0:29:12.862 --> 0:29:15.723
patterns and you can listen
0:29:15.784 --> 0:29:16.564
to those patterns.
0:29:16.624 --> 0:29:17.384
And then lastly,
0:29:17.605 --> 0:29:20.126
the bone section is where
0:29:21.207 --> 0:29:22.087
we don't spend a ton of
0:29:22.127 --> 0:29:23.388
time in this part of it,
0:29:23.669 --> 0:29:25.730
but I do go there one.
0:29:26.590 --> 0:29:27.711
If I do a six week session,
0:29:27.811 --> 0:29:29.393
one of the sessions is on this.
0:29:30.509 --> 0:29:32.330
the bone layer where you
0:29:32.391 --> 0:29:33.892
actually write for 10 or 15
0:29:33.892 --> 0:29:36.094
minutes on a traumatic experience.
0:29:37.375 --> 0:29:38.615
Dr. Pennebaker actually have
0:29:38.655 --> 0:29:40.616
his book right here is he's
0:29:40.636 --> 0:29:42.538
the like preeminent doctor on this.
0:29:42.818 --> 0:29:47.122
And he's done a ton of research on trauma.
0:29:47.462 --> 0:29:49.683
And if you take for three to
0:29:49.765 --> 0:29:52.207
four days straight and write nonstop,
0:29:52.886 --> 0:29:54.449
for 15 minutes each of those
0:29:54.469 --> 0:29:56.491
days about a traumatic experience,
0:29:57.512 --> 0:29:58.815
you will start to heal.
0:29:59.075 --> 0:30:00.957
And there's your whole process to do this.
0:30:01.076 --> 0:30:02.278
But that's where you have to
0:30:02.338 --> 0:30:03.881
go back and why I call it the bone layers,
0:30:03.901 --> 0:30:04.902
because sometimes bones
0:30:04.942 --> 0:30:07.085
need to be broken and reset.
0:30:07.865 --> 0:30:08.906
And that's where you
0:30:09.228 --> 0:30:10.388
somewhat work on the trauma stuff.
0:30:11.846 --> 0:30:14.307
Yeah,
0:30:14.587 --> 0:30:15.848
I found that to be true in my own
0:30:15.888 --> 0:30:17.109
life and in the lives of
0:30:17.170 --> 0:30:18.671
other people that apply
0:30:18.691 --> 0:30:20.653
these principles of writing
0:30:20.692 --> 0:30:22.354
things down and processing it.
0:30:22.815 --> 0:30:23.976
It's almost like we're doing
0:30:24.016 --> 0:30:25.135
a personal inventory.
0:30:25.155 --> 0:30:28.578
And it made me think of 2 Corinthians 13,
0:30:28.578 --> 0:30:31.821
5, where it said that Jesus says,
0:30:31.981 --> 0:30:34.063
examine yourselves to see
0:30:34.103 --> 0:30:35.463
whether you are in the faith.
0:30:35.964 --> 0:30:36.945
Test yourselves.
0:30:37.546 --> 0:30:39.907
yeah and it's what you're
0:30:39.968 --> 0:30:41.788
saying about incorporating
0:30:41.848 --> 0:30:45.431
god into this because for
0:30:45.490 --> 0:30:47.311
christians god is the
0:30:47.372 --> 0:30:49.693
source of love god is what
0:30:49.773 --> 0:30:51.575
pours love into us so as
0:30:51.654 --> 0:30:54.896
we're um I would I would I
0:30:54.916 --> 0:30:56.117
would think luke that as
0:30:56.178 --> 0:30:57.077
we're pouring out our
0:30:57.117 --> 0:30:58.199
hearts into a journal
0:31:00.398 --> 0:31:04.142
that when we're thinking this God of love,
0:31:04.301 --> 0:31:05.442
we need to have grace.
0:31:06.022 --> 0:31:06.282
Yeah.
0:31:06.462 --> 0:31:08.243
We need to have, you know,
0:31:08.305 --> 0:31:09.746
you're writing a traumatic event.
0:31:10.125 --> 0:31:10.286
Yeah.
0:31:10.306 --> 0:31:11.926
This is why journaling in
0:31:12.067 --> 0:31:14.409
our grief is so important
0:31:14.449 --> 0:31:17.451
because we start to unravel.
0:31:17.911 --> 0:31:18.131
Yeah.
0:31:19.051 --> 0:31:21.053
Everything that is painful.
0:31:21.513 --> 0:31:21.713
Yeah.
0:31:23.555 --> 0:31:23.674
But,
0:31:23.795 --> 0:31:25.776
but also don't you think at the same time,
0:31:26.196 --> 0:31:28.038
there should be a companion
0:31:28.077 --> 0:31:29.378
journal to our trauma of,
0:31:30.542 --> 0:31:31.344
What did I learn?
0:31:32.344 --> 0:31:32.523
Yeah.
0:31:32.584 --> 0:31:36.146
And how grateful am I for
0:31:36.366 --> 0:31:37.867
the experience of knowing
0:31:37.887 --> 0:31:40.088
this person who passed?
0:31:40.549 --> 0:31:40.750
Yeah.
0:31:41.269 --> 0:31:42.891
You know, when my, when my brother passed,
0:31:43.832 --> 0:31:46.653
um, and sorry if I'm going on, but,
0:31:46.773 --> 0:31:47.673
but when my brother,
0:31:47.973 --> 0:31:49.935
when my brother passed, uh,
0:31:49.976 --> 0:31:50.715
while I was waiting for a
0:31:50.756 --> 0:31:52.938
heart transplant, everybody was just,
0:31:53.057 --> 0:31:54.818
yeah, everyone was distraught.
0:31:55.519 --> 0:31:56.359
But, um,
0:31:56.500 --> 0:31:58.760
my uncle went to go tell my
0:31:58.842 --> 0:31:59.541
grandmother that,
0:32:01.032 --> 0:32:03.674
at the time and um my
0:32:03.694 --> 0:32:04.756
grandfather had passed so
0:32:04.776 --> 0:32:07.057
she was widowed uh in and
0:32:07.277 --> 0:32:08.238
and they went to go tell
0:32:08.298 --> 0:32:10.338
her doors always open to
0:32:10.378 --> 0:32:11.779
her house she's of that era
0:32:12.861 --> 0:32:14.662
and uncle alan went in to
0:32:14.741 --> 0:32:17.203
find her and found her in
0:32:17.263 --> 0:32:19.546
her bedroom on her knees
0:32:20.826 --> 0:32:21.826
she already had found out
0:32:22.086 --> 0:32:23.028
and she was on her knees
0:32:23.788 --> 0:32:25.229
thanking god for the
0:32:25.529 --> 0:32:28.971
opportunity to know yeah her grandson
0:32:29.980 --> 0:32:32.041
There was no complaining.
0:32:32.061 --> 0:32:34.222
There was no asking,
0:32:34.343 --> 0:32:36.265
why is this happening?
0:32:36.664 --> 0:32:37.986
And she'd been to enough
0:32:38.006 --> 0:32:41.048
funerals in her span of life.
0:32:41.067 --> 0:32:41.808
That's kind of what you do
0:32:41.828 --> 0:32:43.210
when you retire.
0:32:43.230 --> 0:32:44.830
You travel and you go to
0:32:44.871 --> 0:32:47.271
funerals and write birthday cards.
0:32:48.673 --> 0:32:51.515
But she was just so grateful to know him.
0:32:51.736 --> 0:32:53.336
And in this process of journaling,
0:32:54.380 --> 0:32:55.801
Have you seen, you know,
0:32:55.842 --> 0:32:56.903
you teach these courses,
0:32:56.962 --> 0:32:58.484
people can sign up for these courses.
0:32:58.884 --> 0:33:01.387
You go in depth and people's what,
0:33:01.627 --> 0:33:02.729
do you have an example of
0:33:02.808 --> 0:33:05.192
somebody's life who you've
0:33:05.231 --> 0:33:06.953
witnessed change?
0:33:07.335 --> 0:33:07.615
Hmm.
0:33:08.675 --> 0:33:09.196
Well, yeah.
0:33:10.097 --> 0:33:10.198
Um,
0:33:12.278 --> 0:33:17.740
You don't have to say their name.
0:33:17.900 --> 0:33:19.560
Two stories come to my mind.
0:33:19.580 --> 0:33:21.320
There's a lady I used to
0:33:21.381 --> 0:33:22.721
work with and she was a,
0:33:23.261 --> 0:33:25.242
she was a believer for a long time too.
0:33:25.262 --> 0:33:25.923
And she,
0:33:27.553 --> 0:33:27.673
Um,
0:33:28.473 --> 0:33:30.515
what I would say at Ramsey sometimes is
0:33:30.595 --> 0:33:32.316
we would, um, I mean,
0:33:32.336 --> 0:33:33.875
we consider ourselves there
0:33:34.537 --> 0:33:35.537
as thought leaders.
0:33:35.757 --> 0:33:37.337
Like we wanted to be thought leaders,
0:33:37.397 --> 0:33:39.439
but often we'd be running around,
0:33:39.679 --> 0:33:39.939
you know,
0:33:39.999 --> 0:33:40.720
you're going to meeting to
0:33:40.759 --> 0:33:41.920
meeting and you've got all
0:33:41.940 --> 0:33:43.260
this work to do and so on and so forth.
0:33:43.820 --> 0:33:45.082
But the phrase that stuck
0:33:45.162 --> 0:33:46.762
out to me was how can we be
0:33:46.803 --> 0:33:48.042
thought leaders if we don't
0:33:48.223 --> 0:33:49.943
ever give ourselves any time to think.
0:33:49.963 --> 0:33:50.904
Yeah.
0:33:51.164 --> 0:33:52.605
And I remember, uh,
0:33:52.746 --> 0:33:53.965
maybe it was that thing
0:33:53.986 --> 0:33:54.527
that we talked about,
0:33:54.547 --> 0:33:55.906
but I started talking about
0:33:55.967 --> 0:33:56.667
journaling with her.
0:33:57.528 --> 0:33:59.809
And she took it and over the
0:33:59.869 --> 0:34:01.991
course of those few years,
0:34:02.092 --> 0:34:03.511
she really took it to heart
0:34:03.592 --> 0:34:04.772
and she was journaling all
0:34:04.813 --> 0:34:07.013
the time and it transformed
0:34:07.074 --> 0:34:08.014
how she was leading.
0:34:08.215 --> 0:34:09.054
It transformed, uh,
0:34:09.476 --> 0:34:10.956
how she was doing her team,
0:34:11.117 --> 0:34:12.237
her own spiritual walk.
0:34:12.277 --> 0:34:13.898
And so I saw a huge change
0:34:13.938 --> 0:34:15.099
and I don't obviously take
0:34:15.119 --> 0:34:15.639
the credit for that
0:34:15.679 --> 0:34:17.519
journaling was my little
0:34:17.539 --> 0:34:19.221
words were small compared
0:34:19.240 --> 0:34:20.561
to what God was doing in her heart, but.
0:34:21.505 --> 0:34:21.664
Um,
0:34:22.365 --> 0:34:23.967
another one that sticks out to me is
0:34:24.007 --> 0:34:24.768
someone who came through
0:34:24.788 --> 0:34:26.590
the courses a couple months
0:34:26.630 --> 0:34:29.032
ago and he said, you know, Luke,
0:34:29.052 --> 0:34:30.414
I've been a Christian for a long time,
0:34:31.114 --> 0:34:33.496
but I've never stopped and
0:34:33.657 --> 0:34:35.918
asked God what he wanted to say to me.
0:34:36.759 --> 0:34:37.019
Wow.
0:34:37.460 --> 0:34:39.402
And I was just like, huh?
0:34:40.682 --> 0:34:42.184
man, because we're always just like, God,
0:34:42.304 --> 0:34:43.105
when we pray,
0:34:44.025 --> 0:34:46.027
please give me money or
0:34:46.126 --> 0:34:48.088
please give me a wife or a
0:34:48.228 --> 0:34:49.610
job or whatever the things
0:34:49.630 --> 0:34:50.871
we're asking for all the time.
0:34:50.911 --> 0:34:54.414
I think maybe sometimes God is just saying,
0:34:54.454 --> 0:34:56.835
hey, just slow down.
0:34:56.876 --> 0:34:58.077
I just want to be with you.
0:34:59.338 --> 0:35:01.199
Speaking of your... I love
0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:02.619
that story you told about your grandma.
0:35:03.740 --> 0:35:07.284
Chip Dodd is a psychologist that I like.
0:35:07.423 --> 0:35:08.244
I like his book called The
0:35:08.284 --> 0:35:08.965
Voice of the Heart.
0:35:09.204 --> 0:35:09.326
And
0:35:10.579 --> 0:35:12.300
He talks about the eight core feelings.
0:35:12.380 --> 0:35:13.940
And one of those feelings is sadness.
0:35:14.121 --> 0:35:14.842
And you're talking about
0:35:14.882 --> 0:35:17.003
grief and talking about your grandmother.
0:35:18.862 --> 0:35:21.304
Sadness, when we actually acknowledge it,
0:35:22.885 --> 0:35:24.786
shows us what we value.
0:35:26.253 --> 0:35:27.034
And that's what I love.
0:35:27.114 --> 0:35:30.534
Like tears show us what matters to us.
0:35:31.534 --> 0:35:34.155
And when we're sleepwalking through life,
0:35:34.255 --> 0:35:35.115
just, you know,
0:35:35.275 --> 0:35:36.856
taking in no shade on the
0:35:36.876 --> 0:35:37.556
Superbowl or whatever,
0:35:37.597 --> 0:35:38.257
I loved watching it,
0:35:38.317 --> 0:35:39.697
but you go from Superbowl
0:35:39.958 --> 0:35:41.438
to staring at your phone, to sleeping,
0:35:41.577 --> 0:35:42.798
to get up, to check your email,
0:35:43.179 --> 0:35:43.898
to then go to work,
0:35:43.958 --> 0:35:45.278
to then do the next thing, the next thing,
0:35:45.298 --> 0:35:46.139
the next thing, the next thing.
0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:47.239
All of a sudden,
0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.119
like there is a deeper
0:35:49.300 --> 0:35:51.260
spiritual world going on that is,
0:35:52.621 --> 0:35:54.581
we got to slow down
0:35:55.751 --> 0:35:56.503
to acknowledge.
0:35:57.235 --> 0:35:57.416
Yeah.
0:35:57.615 --> 0:35:59.516
Um, there's a story that, uh,
0:35:59.976 --> 0:36:01.536
Jake Smith is a friend of mine too.
0:36:01.617 --> 0:36:01.737
He's,
0:36:01.938 --> 0:36:03.277
he does something called plumb line
0:36:03.297 --> 0:36:04.838
groups and he,
0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:06.219
I know he got this story
0:36:06.259 --> 0:36:06.818
from somewhere else,
0:36:06.838 --> 0:36:07.800
but I don't know where it was.
0:36:08.079 --> 0:36:10.199
And he tells a story about this group of,
0:36:10.501 --> 0:36:13.001
uh, American hikers that were,
0:36:13.101 --> 0:36:14.362
I think it might've been going up,
0:36:14.641 --> 0:36:14.961
you know, uh,
0:36:15.762 --> 0:36:17.822
what's that big mountain over in, uh,
0:36:18.063 --> 0:36:20.304
that everybody climbs Everest.
0:36:20.324 --> 0:36:20.523
Right.
0:36:20.963 --> 0:36:21.603
And so they,
0:36:22.204 --> 0:36:23.605
they start climbing this thing
0:36:23.644 --> 0:36:25.045
or it might've been a missionary trip.
0:36:25.065 --> 0:36:26.606
I'm going to mess this story up, but, uh,
0:36:27.746 --> 0:36:29.188
they have local guides
0:36:29.289 --> 0:36:30.530
taking them on this journey.
0:36:30.550 --> 0:36:31.351
Yeah.
0:36:31.550 --> 0:36:32.612
And they covered a lot of
0:36:32.652 --> 0:36:34.112
ground over the course of a
0:36:34.373 --> 0:36:35.315
short period of time.
0:36:36.476 --> 0:36:37.516
And so they take a break
0:36:37.896 --> 0:36:38.998
because the guides,
0:36:39.038 --> 0:36:40.260
the local guides sit down
0:36:40.619 --> 0:36:41.420
and they just sit there
0:36:42.742 --> 0:36:43.782
And the Americans are like, all right,
0:36:43.802 --> 0:36:45.382
we ate our lunch and let's go.
0:36:45.483 --> 0:36:45.983
Where are we going?
0:36:46.744 --> 0:36:48.384
And they had covered so much ground,
0:36:48.965 --> 0:36:50.565
the guides,
0:36:50.905 --> 0:36:52.005
a lot of them didn't speak English,
0:36:52.045 --> 0:36:52.985
were just not moving.
0:36:53.045 --> 0:36:54.146
They were like, we're not going anywhere.
0:36:54.166 --> 0:36:54.887
And finally they found
0:36:54.907 --> 0:36:55.686
someone to translate.
0:36:56.387 --> 0:36:57.668
And the guide said, no,
0:36:58.407 --> 0:36:59.489
we've covered so much
0:36:59.548 --> 0:37:01.190
ground over this course of
0:37:01.250 --> 0:37:02.730
time that we need to stop
0:37:02.789 --> 0:37:04.070
and let our souls catch up.
0:37:05.530 --> 0:37:07.572
And I was just like, dang,
0:37:07.632 --> 0:37:09.112
like we move so fast and
0:37:09.152 --> 0:37:11.434
our souls are way back there going, hey.
0:37:12.418 --> 0:37:13.077
We're tired.
0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.121
Reminds me of scuba diving.
0:37:20.380 --> 0:37:21.822
You have to stop at certain
0:37:21.862 --> 0:37:23.041
levels because of the pressure.
0:37:23.621 --> 0:37:26.483
And then as you go up, you have to wait,
0:37:26.563 --> 0:37:29.824
do safety stops for three minutes.
0:37:30.385 --> 0:37:31.565
And without doing that,
0:37:31.764 --> 0:37:34.385
you're not going to get, your lungs could,
0:37:34.606 --> 0:37:35.706
you know, can't take it.
0:37:36.181 --> 0:37:36.420
Yeah.
0:37:36.501 --> 0:37:39.563
And so I love this idea that we need to go,
0:37:40.605 --> 0:37:41.164
go, go.
0:37:41.204 --> 0:37:42.365
And then we need to stop and
0:37:42.385 --> 0:37:43.706
it gets back to, you know,
0:37:43.746 --> 0:37:44.628
thou shalt rest.
0:37:45.208 --> 0:37:48.510
We see, we see Jesus busy with the crowds,
0:37:48.690 --> 0:37:49.572
healing people,
0:37:50.193 --> 0:37:52.373
putting his whole heart into everything,
0:37:52.434 --> 0:37:53.655
God's heart into everything.
0:37:54.155 --> 0:37:55.036
And then what does he do?
0:37:55.617 --> 0:38:00.521
He escapes into the wilderness to be alone,
0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.163
alone with this father to
0:38:02.523 --> 0:38:03.943
process everything.
0:38:06.123 --> 0:38:08.885
you know, everything that's, which is,
0:38:08.985 --> 0:38:09.347
which is,
0:38:09.447 --> 0:38:10.788
and maybe he kept a little
0:38:10.827 --> 0:38:12.228
journal that we never saw.
0:38:12.668 --> 0:38:12.909
Right.
0:38:13.210 --> 0:38:13.570
You know?
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Yeah.
0:38:14.690 --> 0:38:16.532
And, uh, I love what the chose.
0:38:16.693 --> 0:38:18.193
I love what the chosen guys did with that.
0:38:18.213 --> 0:38:19.795
This, this last season that I,
0:38:20.014 --> 0:38:20.876
I just watched where he,
0:38:21.096 --> 0:38:22.157
Jesus was preparing for the
0:38:22.177 --> 0:38:23.338
sermon on the Mount and he would,
0:38:23.998 --> 0:38:25.018
he would disappear, uh,
0:38:26.088 --> 0:38:28.849
to write some of that stuff down.
0:38:30.110 --> 0:38:33.552
He had to go figure out what
0:38:33.592 --> 0:38:34.713
the heck he wanted to say
0:38:34.753 --> 0:38:35.813
and what God wanted to say
0:38:35.833 --> 0:38:37.635
through him and all this stuff.
0:38:37.675 --> 0:38:39.315
And I like how they did that
0:38:39.356 --> 0:38:41.056
in this last season.
0:38:41.336 --> 0:38:43.918
yeah and the way uh dallas
0:38:43.958 --> 0:38:44.697
directed that and wrote
0:38:44.737 --> 0:38:47.179
that is jesus is with
0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:48.260
matthew you know the book
0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:49.860
of matthew he's a tax
0:38:49.900 --> 0:38:50.840
collector so he takes
0:38:51.340 --> 0:38:52.782
meticulous notes you know
0:38:52.822 --> 0:38:54.001
yeah he used to know the
0:38:54.041 --> 0:38:55.422
calculator really well and
0:38:55.943 --> 0:38:56.663
the way they do and he
0:38:56.702 --> 0:38:57.483
would write down he knew
0:38:57.503 --> 0:38:58.463
what people owed and didn't
0:38:58.483 --> 0:38:59.784
know so he's keeping a
0:38:59.844 --> 0:39:01.965
complete record and I love
0:39:02.005 --> 0:39:04.186
the humanity exhibited
0:39:04.425 --> 0:39:07.186
through jesus the mortality
0:39:07.226 --> 0:39:08.288
that he inherited from his
0:39:08.447 --> 0:39:10.949
mother from his father immortality
0:39:11.409 --> 0:39:12.269
But from his mother,
0:39:12.309 --> 0:39:13.670
he has these human emotions.
0:39:14.371 --> 0:39:17.552
And he looks at Matthew and
0:39:17.592 --> 0:39:19.733
he proposes some type of phrase.
0:39:20.514 --> 0:39:23.615
And Matthew's like, I don't know.
0:39:23.635 --> 0:39:26.476
And then they keep working on it.
0:39:26.516 --> 0:39:28.097
But don't you remember Jesus pauses?
0:39:29.079 --> 0:39:29.679
He pauses.
0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.460
He takes a break.
0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:33.780
We don't do this.
0:39:34.161 --> 0:39:35.981
And this is why your message
0:39:36.063 --> 0:39:36.603
is so important.
0:39:37.989 --> 0:39:39.030
resonates with me the
0:39:39.070 --> 0:39:41.411
importance of of learning
0:39:41.550 --> 0:39:43.992
how to journal on a deeper
0:39:44.032 --> 0:39:45.152
level which is what you
0:39:45.211 --> 0:39:46.251
offer which is what you're
0:39:46.291 --> 0:39:48.293
offering yeah there's a um
0:39:48.833 --> 0:39:50.293
I mean it's based off of uh
0:39:50.452 --> 0:39:52.094
you know the deuteronomy
0:39:52.173 --> 0:39:53.054
text that says love the
0:39:53.094 --> 0:39:53.833
lord your god with all your
0:39:53.853 --> 0:39:54.594
heart soul mind and
0:39:54.655 --> 0:39:55.554
strength but there's a a
0:39:56.034 --> 0:39:56.954
couple of writers I'm
0:39:56.974 --> 0:39:57.635
blanking on what their
0:39:57.655 --> 0:39:59.175
names are uh rob murray's
0:39:59.235 --> 0:40:00.876
one of them yeah and uh
0:40:01.135 --> 0:40:01.795
they wrote a book called
0:40:01.815 --> 0:40:03.237
the human operating system
0:40:04.257 --> 0:40:06.117
And based off of the human
0:40:06.177 --> 0:40:08.539
operating system being heart, soul, mind,
0:40:08.739 --> 0:40:09.079
strength.
0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:11.981
And often, again, not picking on America.
0:40:12.121 --> 0:40:12.702
I love America.
0:40:13.161 --> 0:40:17.945
But we often run in the mind
0:40:18.085 --> 0:40:19.746
and strength quadrants of that.
0:40:20.447 --> 0:40:21.728
And if you always are just
0:40:21.807 --> 0:40:22.847
over in mind and strength,
0:40:23.568 --> 0:40:26.289
your heart and soul gets starved.
0:40:27.210 --> 0:40:27.431
Yeah.
0:40:27.451 --> 0:40:27.530
Yeah.
0:40:27.927 --> 0:40:28.206
Also,
0:40:28.327 --> 0:40:29.347
if you're over in the heart and soul
0:40:29.367 --> 0:40:29.887
all the time,
0:40:30.487 --> 0:40:31.628
you never make anything or
0:40:31.648 --> 0:40:32.509
you never actually finish
0:40:32.528 --> 0:40:33.509
the project and you don't
0:40:33.829 --> 0:40:34.568
get things done.
0:40:35.070 --> 0:40:37.710
So the key is to be working heart, soul,
0:40:37.791 --> 0:40:39.291
mind, and strength all the time.
0:40:39.851 --> 0:40:40.811
And use your mind and
0:40:40.831 --> 0:40:43.693
strength when you need to, but also rest.
0:40:44.793 --> 0:40:45.873
Let your soul catch up.
0:40:46.833 --> 0:40:48.755
Keep your soul in a good place.
0:40:48.775 --> 0:40:49.855
You know, you got to do all four.
0:40:50.014 --> 0:40:51.356
So I love that.
0:40:51.916 --> 0:40:54.597
Makes me think of the series, The Crown.
0:40:56.510 --> 0:40:58.693
You know, Prince Philip is dating Kate.
0:40:59.393 --> 0:41:01.914
Kate has a family and they
0:41:01.954 --> 0:41:02.976
sit around the table
0:41:03.036 --> 0:41:04.257
together and they have dinner.
0:41:04.277 --> 0:41:07.920
And so Philip is with his grandma,
0:41:07.980 --> 0:41:08.760
Queen Elizabeth,
0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.081
and Queen Elizabeth asks if
0:41:11.101 --> 0:41:12.083
you had a good time.
0:41:12.222 --> 0:41:12.824
And Philip goes,
0:41:13.304 --> 0:41:15.346
do you know this family eats together?
0:41:15.405 --> 0:41:16.326
They sit around the table
0:41:16.365 --> 0:41:17.166
and they eat together.
0:41:17.186 --> 0:41:19.648
He's like, well, why would they do that?
0:41:19.668 --> 0:41:20.769
Yeah.
0:41:23.101 --> 0:41:27.304
you know, it's, it's, it's this crazy,
0:41:27.405 --> 0:41:28.425
crazy thing.
0:41:28.565 --> 0:41:30.447
But, um, you know,
0:41:30.467 --> 0:41:31.807
I'm grateful that my parents,
0:41:32.789 --> 0:41:34.150
even though we were always
0:41:34.170 --> 0:41:35.090
kind of pushing against the
0:41:35.150 --> 0:41:36.791
pricks is that my parents
0:41:36.891 --> 0:41:37.733
would sit around,
0:41:38.012 --> 0:41:39.454
have us all sit around the
0:41:39.474 --> 0:41:42.076
dinner table and kind of go
0:41:42.096 --> 0:41:45.338
around and review what happened that day.
0:41:45.378 --> 0:41:46.659
And most of us were like, yeah,
0:41:46.860 --> 0:41:47.260
I don't know.
0:41:47.300 --> 0:41:47.840
Mom gave me a,
0:41:48.679 --> 0:41:49.980
I got a Twinkie in my lunch,
0:41:50.039 --> 0:41:50.980
so I know she loves me.
0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:52.059
Yeah.
0:41:52.641 --> 0:41:53.541
Or she's trying to kill me.
0:41:53.561 --> 0:41:54.320
Yeah.
0:41:55.461 --> 0:41:55.621
But,
0:41:55.742 --> 0:41:57.661
but we take these moments in life and
0:41:57.681 --> 0:42:00.764
we pause and reflect and yeah.
0:42:02.403 --> 0:42:04.364
So if people want to,
0:42:04.824 --> 0:42:06.806
and they should take this
0:42:06.985 --> 0:42:08.126
course from you that really
0:42:08.166 --> 0:42:09.347
dives deep into,
0:42:11.195 --> 0:42:12.576
So how do they go about
0:42:13.715 --> 0:42:16.958
signing up and doing this?
0:42:17.257 --> 0:42:18.818
Our next one starts on February 20th,
0:42:18.858 --> 0:42:19.739
so I'm not sure when this
0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.481
podcast is going to come out.
0:42:21.900 --> 0:42:25.423
So what I would say is go to holywork.com.
0:42:26.164 --> 0:42:26.364
Yeah.
0:42:26.623 --> 0:42:29.304
And there will be an offer
0:42:29.525 --> 0:42:30.505
eventually for the one that
0:42:30.545 --> 0:42:31.525
comes after if this comes
0:42:31.605 --> 0:42:32.744
out or come sign up for the
0:42:32.764 --> 0:42:34.106
February 20th if this comes out.
0:42:34.306 --> 0:42:34.666
Yeah.
0:42:35.306 --> 0:42:37.626
But this is this is going to come out.
0:42:38.425 --> 0:42:39.907
Hello, everybody.
0:42:40.286 --> 0:42:41.206
By the time you listen,
0:42:41.246 --> 0:42:42.786
this is happening at that moment.
0:42:44.168 --> 0:42:46.047
This is a prerecorded episode.
0:42:46.068 --> 0:42:47.487
And if you go on YouTube,
0:42:47.547 --> 0:42:48.628
let me shamelessly plug.
0:42:49.148 --> 0:42:49.909
I got new merch.
0:42:51.289 --> 0:42:53.510
Check out the new merch on the website.
0:42:53.550 --> 0:42:54.329
And that's also where the
0:42:54.369 --> 0:42:55.610
link is to this podcast.
0:42:56.309 --> 0:42:58.351
But yeah, it's going on this Sunday.
0:42:58.411 --> 0:43:00.431
So in that gives people enough time.
0:43:01.510 --> 0:43:01.710
Yeah.
0:43:01.731 --> 0:43:02.690
It starts a week.
0:43:02.911 --> 0:43:04.572
It starts the podcast.
0:43:04.711 --> 0:43:07.152
If you say Sunday, the podcast comes out.
0:43:07.652 --> 0:43:08.913
So this will be the Tuesday after.
0:43:08.932 --> 0:43:10.273
So if you get it,
0:43:10.393 --> 0:43:11.713
come join us for that Tuesday.
0:43:11.773 --> 0:43:13.934
But I offer these usually every quarter.
0:43:14.114 --> 0:43:15.733
So there'll be another one.
0:43:15.833 --> 0:43:16.614
And then eventually it'll
0:43:16.653 --> 0:43:18.034
come on video in some form.
0:43:18.054 --> 0:43:18.954
So you don't have to wait
0:43:18.994 --> 0:43:20.014
for the next live thing,
0:43:20.094 --> 0:43:23.376
but that's the best way to do it.
0:43:24.056 --> 0:43:24.155
Okay,
0:43:24.235 --> 0:43:25.557
I'm going to put this in the show notes.
0:43:25.597 --> 0:43:27.179
So everybody go to the show notes.
0:43:27.199 --> 0:43:28.400
If you're watching on
0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:29.742
YouTube to actually see our
0:43:30.563 --> 0:43:31.603
virtual conversation,
0:43:31.623 --> 0:43:32.644
it's there in the notes.
0:43:33.244 --> 0:43:34.706
Now, just for clarity,
0:43:34.746 --> 0:43:37.630
when you guys are Googling Luke Lefevre,
0:43:37.690 --> 0:43:38.391
there is another...
0:43:40.025 --> 0:43:41.065
There's another Luke Lefevre
0:43:41.766 --> 0:43:42.847
and he lives close by.
0:43:42.867 --> 0:43:43.086
Yeah.
0:43:43.126 --> 0:43:44.007
He lives here in Franklin
0:43:44.068 --> 0:43:45.507
and I've talked to him a few times.
0:43:46.148 --> 0:43:47.009
It's so crazy.
0:43:47.088 --> 0:43:48.568
Like, it's not like it's John Smith.
0:43:49.150 --> 0:43:50.949
It's Luke Lefevre spelled
0:43:51.010 --> 0:43:52.210
exactly the same.
0:43:53.050 --> 0:43:54.411
And he's a believer too.
0:43:54.492 --> 0:43:54.911
So like,
0:43:54.952 --> 0:43:57.393
he's got a cool mission going and it's,
0:43:57.713 --> 0:43:58.853
it's, it's just strange.
0:43:58.913 --> 0:44:00.034
So that's why go to
0:44:00.074 --> 0:44:01.554
holywork.com versus trying
0:44:01.574 --> 0:44:02.414
to spell my name and
0:44:03.693 --> 0:44:04.434
I would think,
0:44:04.574 --> 0:44:05.715
does the government ever
0:44:05.795 --> 0:44:07.016
mess that up and send you
0:44:07.097 --> 0:44:09.177
his tax information?
0:44:09.217 --> 0:44:10.418
No, not yet.
0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:11.059
Not yet.
0:44:11.179 --> 0:44:11.840
Maybe someday.
0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:13.541
That's awesome.
0:44:14.021 --> 0:44:15.382
Social security numbers help with that.
0:44:16.565 --> 0:44:19.827
So what's the website?
0:44:19.947 --> 0:44:21.527
Holywork.com.
0:44:21.847 --> 0:44:22.768
That's so much easier.
0:44:22.969 --> 0:44:23.728
Yes, exactly.
0:44:24.088 --> 0:44:25.510
Holywork.com.
0:44:25.570 --> 0:44:25.769
Yeah.
0:44:26.030 --> 0:44:27.010
Don't try to spell my name.
0:44:27.550 --> 0:44:28.951
Yeah, because if you say Lefevre,
0:44:29.650 --> 0:44:30.672
it's French.
0:44:31.331 --> 0:44:32.251
Yes, French.
0:44:32.351 --> 0:44:33.612
And I think we Americanized
0:44:33.672 --> 0:44:34.793
it when we brought it to
0:44:35.253 --> 0:44:36.594
whoever came over here.
0:44:36.934 --> 0:44:39.054
It's probably like Lefevre
0:44:39.094 --> 0:44:40.255
with the throat in there.
0:44:40.476 --> 0:44:42.436
But they came over and they're like,
0:44:42.476 --> 0:44:43.297
whatever, Lefevre.
0:44:43.317 --> 0:44:43.597
Yeah.
0:44:44.628 --> 0:44:45.208
I love that.
0:44:45.528 --> 0:44:47.132
Getty Lee, the lead singer of Rush,
0:44:47.172 --> 0:44:49.554
just released a biography
0:44:49.614 --> 0:44:50.496
and everyone should listen
0:44:50.536 --> 0:44:52.079
to the autobiography or the,
0:44:52.820 --> 0:44:54.641
the autobiography audio.
0:44:55.123 --> 0:44:56.445
It's called My F in Life.
0:44:57.085 --> 0:44:58.226
But he talks about his
0:44:58.286 --> 0:45:00.530
Holocaust surviving parents
0:45:00.570 --> 0:45:01.331
that came over.
0:45:01.411 --> 0:45:01.572
Yeah.
0:45:02.016 --> 0:45:04.139
And they had this long, long name,
0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:06.320
you know, and he's like, ah,
0:45:06.460 --> 0:45:07.601
they just call her Nancy.
0:45:11.085 --> 0:45:11.505
Love that.
0:45:11.626 --> 0:45:13.527
I love that.
0:45:14.007 --> 0:45:14.349
Love you.
0:45:14.389 --> 0:45:15.489
I'm so grateful that you're
0:45:15.610 --> 0:45:18.713
on this podcast and the people.
0:45:19.963 --> 0:45:21.304
can take this class from you
0:45:21.704 --> 0:45:23.826
and really have their life changed.
0:45:24.425 --> 0:45:24.646
Yes.
0:45:25.007 --> 0:45:26.867
I think not because of what I'm teaching,
0:45:26.927 --> 0:45:27.588
because it's a,
0:45:27.949 --> 0:45:29.309
it's an experiential thing.
0:45:29.349 --> 0:45:30.992
It's not Luke talking the whole time.
0:45:31.152 --> 0:45:33.753
It's you going through, uh, these,
0:45:34.014 --> 0:45:35.034
these experiences and
0:45:35.094 --> 0:45:35.894
actually doing them.
0:45:36.175 --> 0:45:37.916
And that's the powerful thing.
0:45:38.336 --> 0:45:38.717
And, uh,
0:45:38.958 --> 0:45:39.918
I'm excited for people to go
0:45:39.938 --> 0:45:40.298
through that.
0:45:41.018 --> 0:45:41.460
So cool.
0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.101
It's like a, it's like a really, um,
0:45:46.617 --> 0:45:47.717
applying yourself in some
0:45:47.777 --> 0:45:48.898
type of a therapy.
0:45:49.358 --> 0:45:49.619
Yeah.
0:45:49.659 --> 0:45:51.398
So it's like self-therapy.
0:45:51.438 --> 0:45:52.519
Self, yeah.
0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:54.519
And this, you know, if you have some,
0:45:55.739 --> 0:45:57.081
like this might point out, oh,
0:45:57.141 --> 0:45:58.400
I need to go to a real
0:45:58.581 --> 0:45:59.800
therapist or I need to go
0:45:59.820 --> 0:46:01.202
to a counselor and really
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work through this with a professional.
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Absolutely.
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Even in some of Dr. Pennebaker's stuff,
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he's like, hey,
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if you start to write about
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some of that traumatic
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stuff and it's just too much,
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you should stop.
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And go talk to a real
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therapist or a psychologist
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and really work through it.
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So that's also what this does is it shows,
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oh, I need, okay,
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there's some stuff here
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that I've got over in the
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corner that I haven't dealt
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with in a while.
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So I'm excited for people to
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experience it.
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So true.
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So true.
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All right, buddy.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, man.
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Thanks for having me.