The Paul Cardall Podcast

Holy Work Journaling with Luke LeFevre

Episode Summary

Former Chief Creative Officer at Ramsey Solutions (Dave Ramsey’s Company) Luke LeFevre is my guest on Ep. 88. We explore Luke’s expertise on with the powerful tool of Journaling that allows us to delve into the depths of our thoughts, emotions, and experiences. It is a form of reflective writing that helps us gain clarity, insight, and personal growth. The art of journaling is not only a means of self-expression but also a gateway to self-discovery.

Episode Notes

Former Chief Creative Officer at Ramsey Solutions (Dave Ramsey’s Company) Luke LeFevre is my guest on Ep. 88. We explore Luke’s expertise on with the powerful tool of Journaling that allows us to delve into the depths of our thoughts, emotions, and experiences. It is a form of reflective writing that helps us gain clarity, insight, and personal growth. The art of journaling is not only a means of self-expression but also a gateway to self-discovery.

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Luke LeFevre in his own words:

My name is Luke LeFevre and I know what it feels like to be stuck, restless, and angry. I also know what it feels like to have a stirring and know there is something more, and where I am now “ain’t” it, but I have no idea what to do next.

But, after over 20 years of stumbling, fighting, studying, researching, working through battles, and seeing this same pattern in hundreds of creative people in my C-suite, executive, and coaching roles, I have found there is a path and there are practices that can lead you from being stuck, restless and stirred to unlocked and thriving.

God put something inside of YOU before YOU were born, something you can’t help but be, and He is pulling YOU to it. There is a way to see where you are on this path and what it will take to continue to follow.

These feelings of being stuck, restless, and stirred aren’t bad feelings.

These feelings are coming from God.
He is pulling you!
You are not stuck.
You are not lost!
You are on a path.

This PULL will lead you to your PURPOSE. 

God wants to pull you through this path and create something with you through, through you, and most importantly...in you. 

It takes a lot of work, but it isn’t just any kind of work, it is work that transforms us. This work will transform YOU in ways you can't imagine and YOU will create things you can't imagine!

That process is more than just work...it is Holy Work.

 

ABOUT OUR HOST

Paul Cardall, an acclaimed Dove Award-winning musician, composer, and producer, is renowned for his music that acts as a conduit to tranquility and spiritual introspection. Boasting over 3 billion lifetime streams, 11 No. 1 Billboard albums, and recognition as one of the world's premier pianists by Steinway & Sons, Paul's diverse repertoire spans Classical, Christian, and New Age genres. His extraordinary journey includes overcoming health challenges, notably being born with half a heart and undergoing a life-saving heart transplant in 2009.

Inspired by his experiences, Paul has dedicated his life's mission to crafting healing piano music that resonates physically and emotionally. Beyond his musical accomplishments, he actively engages in philanthropy, collaborating with organizations such as The Ryan Seacrest Foundation and supporting causes like the fight against human trafficking.

His album, "Return Home," showcases 13 improvisational piano pieces, a departure from his usual compositional approach. It invites listeners on a cinematic voyage through the landscapes of his European heritage. The album, inspired by his deep connection with his wife Tina and their journey through her family's homeland in Slovenia, underscores the power of music to connect us to our past. It serves as a testament to Paul Cardall's enduring impact as an artist and empathetic soul.

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Episode Transcription

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I'm excited because I got my good buddy,

 

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Luke Lefevre here today.

 

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He's got 20 plus years of

 

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experience working with

 

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creatives and business owners.

 

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And he's a guy who is such a

 

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creative that it caught the

 

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attention of Dave Ramsey.

 

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Dave Ramsey hired him.

 

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to be the chief creative

 

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officer for his entire

 

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company in an effort to try

 

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to bring awareness to him.

 

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But since that time,

 

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the thing that he is doing

 

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that I wanted to bring him

 

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on to talk about

 

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is the importance of journaling.

 

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A couple episodes ago,

 

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we had some heavy subjects

 

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talking about grief,

 

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the various stages of grief.

 

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We talked about guilt in grief.

 

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And one of the number one

 

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things they say to do when

 

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you're trying to process

 

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this pain that's come as a

 

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result of losing somebody is journaling.

 

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And also,

 

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you don't necessarily have to be

 

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going through grief in order to do this.

 

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It has so many benefits.

 

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So I want to bring on my good buddy,

 

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Luke Lefevre.

 

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Hey, good.

 

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Great.

 

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Great to be here, Paul.

 

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We're making it happen.

 

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It's great to talk to you.

 

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How long have we known each other?

 

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Maybe a year.

 

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Maybe less than a year.

 

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Ryan,

 

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we got us together at his house one

 

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time and we hit it off.

 

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It's cool.

 

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We have a group of guys, a lot of times,

 

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you know,

 

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they're all connected to somebody, but,

 

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uh, yeah, like Luke said, we get,

 

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we get together and just sit around.

 

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A lot of us talk, talk live, talk Jesus.

 

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And the beautiful thing is

 

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there's no transaction.

 

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No.

 

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In those relationships.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Right.

 

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It's, it's just a good,

 

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it's been really good for

 

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me this last year, uh,

 

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transitioning from what

 

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I've been doing for a long

 

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time to something new.

 

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And it was just good to have

 

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a new group of friends and

 

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people to be involved with.

 

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And you're one of those.

 

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So I'm very grateful for you.

 

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I'm honored that man,

 

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the feeling is mutual.

 

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Um, it's important that, uh, men, uh,

 

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fellowship it's hard it's

 

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super weird and hard and I

 

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don't know why that is uh

 

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it was I mean just friday

 

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so today's the 14th yeah

 

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just friday uh it was a day

 

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where I didn't have any

 

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meetings and so I was at home working on

 

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the website and, you know, just stuff.

 

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And I got to like three 30 and I was like,

 

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I got to get out of here.

 

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And well, like, who do I text?

 

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Like, I've got a bunch of people I could,

 

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you know, it's texted some old friends.

 

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Hey, let's go get a drink.

 

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hang out for a bit, you know?

 

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And so we did, and it was,

 

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it was exactly what I needed that day.

 

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So yeah,

 

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friends are weird for dudes and

 

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you just gotta keep,

 

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you just gotta keep showing up, you know?

 

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And that's hard.

 

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I don't know why, but it's hard.

 

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You know,

 

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I've talked about this with a couple,

 

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a couple other people.

 

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Do you think it's because you,

 

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When, you know,

 

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I've always had this idea that, look,

 

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there's a system in place

 

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and you're supposed to do this,

 

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this and this.

 

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And by the time you graduate

 

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from high school,

 

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you go to college and that

 

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you fall in love and you get married,

 

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you kind of you got you got

 

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your buddies up until like

 

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you get married.

 

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And then you're so devoted to providing,

 

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you know, even, you know,

 

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your wife is working or

 

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she's not working.

 

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You're both trying to

 

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survive in today's economy.

 

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You got gas, $5, you know,

 

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out in Vegas per gallon, which is insane.

 

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But,

 

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but we dive so much into our work and

 

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about.

 

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there's this ambition always

 

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in the human spirit to rise, to level up.

 

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So, you know,

 

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most of us go golfing or do

 

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things with people

 

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associated with work where

 

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there's a transactional relationship.

 

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So we kind of, we don't, you know,

 

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do you think that's kind of.

 

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I think partly it's that I

 

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haven't put too much thought to it,

 

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but I have two boys and two girls.

 

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And so it's interesting to

 

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see the difference between

 

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girls and boys.

 

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So my two boys use, you know,

 

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stereotypically or whatever,

 

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about one quarter of the

 

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amount of words that the

 

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girls do in any kind of thing.

 

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And the girls just like hanging out,

 

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like they'll,

 

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they'll just come and

 

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they'll just sit with me or, or whatever.

 

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And my daughter Emery was

 

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just in here and she had

 

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the dog and she was just hanging around.

 

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Well, there's nothing really to do.

 

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But the boys, if there's something to do,

 

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they like to go do that together.

 

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You know,

 

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let's go play basketball or let's

 

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go to the store, you know,

 

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to get something.

 

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So there's like a let's do

 

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something together.

 

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And it probably just goes

 

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till we get older.

 

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It's a little sidetracked,

 

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but there's this book I read called.

 

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your favorite band is killing me.

 

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And it's by Stephen Hayden.

 

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It's a great book.

 

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And he just,

 

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he does all these contrasts

 

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and I know it sounds like

 

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out of left field,

 

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but what he's talking about

 

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is conflicts in rock music.

 

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And so he brought up Jack

 

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White and Dan Auerbach from

 

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Black Keys and White Stripes.

 

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And he's,

 

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and apparently they have some beef.

 

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I don't know what, you know,

 

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who knows if it's real,

 

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but they have some beef

 

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together and he goes onto

 

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this whole tangent.

 

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He's like,

 

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Listen,

 

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they're both at the time in their

 

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upper 30s.

 

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They both have successful

 

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rock bands in the

 

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alternative rock music genre.

 

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They both probably have kids

 

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that are the same age.

 

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They both probably go to the same schools.

 

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Their kids go, why can't they be friends?

 

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Yeah.

 

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They should be friends.

 

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I know.

 

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No kidding.

 

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No kidding.

 

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But I, Hey, listen in the music business,

 

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you kind of create these rivals.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Right.

 

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That's how you, you know, you, you, you,

 

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you start up and you get

 

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some media press.

 

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It's like at the Grammys,

 

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there was Lana Del Rey and

 

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Taylor Swift up for the, you know,

 

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a grammy they were competing

 

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with each other and so fans

 

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always you know even my

 

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daughter was like oh you

 

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know lana and taylor don't

 

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like each other but you

 

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know what they were sitting

 

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next to the super bowl

 

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Not only at the Super Bowl,

 

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but at the Grammys.

 

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Oh, really?

 

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So, you know,

 

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it's this kind of this strategy.

 

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Exactly.

 

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But in the real world, yeah,

 

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those kind of things happen.

 

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There's this competition

 

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within the workforce.

 

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And, you know, so we're, you know,

 

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and back to the men where

 

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we're constantly going and going,

 

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you know,

 

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I think we do nothing compared

 

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to what women do.

 

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um working they're a lot

 

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more nurturing with the

 

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children you know plus they

 

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have to kind of raise us

 

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they they don't want to but

 

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but you know they're forced

 

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Yeah.

 

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They're forced to, and you know,

 

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we're just beating our chest.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Woman.

 

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Just this morning, you know,

 

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you can cut this out

 

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because it's Valentine's day.

 

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I don't know if you care if

 

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there's dates involved here,

 

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but I was meeting with a

 

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group of people that I meet

 

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with on Wednesday mornings.

 

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And one of them is a lady and she's like,

 

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well,

 

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I'm getting home and we're doing

 

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Valentine's day.

 

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And we do like whipped cream

 

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waffles and with the kids and we,

 

0:07:12.016 --> 0:07:13.377

we put food coloring in and

 

0:07:13.398 --> 0:07:14.259

make it a whole thing.

 

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And, and I'm like,

 

0:07:15.713 --> 0:07:16.834

that's a great idea.

 

0:07:17.855 --> 0:07:19.737

I haven't thought of anything, you know?

 

0:07:20.218 --> 0:07:21.499

And I was like, man,

 

0:07:21.779 --> 0:07:24.062

women just make things into

 

0:07:24.262 --> 0:07:25.783

events and they make memories.

 

0:07:25.882 --> 0:07:27.024

My wife is so good at that.

 

0:07:27.084 --> 0:07:27.824

She's like, I want to,

 

0:07:28.165 --> 0:07:29.125

let's do experiences

 

0:07:29.165 --> 0:07:30.346

together and make memories

 

0:07:30.427 --> 0:07:31.028

and all this stuff.

 

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And I'm so grateful for it.

 

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Cause I'm like, man, if it was up to me,

 

0:07:33.990 --> 0:07:35.372

I'd be thinking of it last minute.

 

0:07:35.512 --> 0:07:35.872

And then, um,

 

0:07:36.973 --> 0:07:38.514

stumbling through it so it's

 

0:07:38.533 --> 0:07:40.954

I'm very grateful for all

 

0:07:40.973 --> 0:07:43.714

that's in my life yeah it

 

0:07:43.774 --> 0:07:44.555

sounds like you've got a

 

0:07:44.995 --> 0:07:46.115

you know an amazing wife

 

0:07:46.156 --> 0:07:47.896

and that woman who says has

 

0:07:47.975 --> 0:07:49.896

waffles and yeah put some

 

0:07:49.937 --> 0:07:51.117

whipped cream on there you

 

0:07:51.137 --> 0:07:52.517

know yeah that's that

 

0:07:52.577 --> 0:07:53.697

sounds pretty good you got

 

0:07:53.718 --> 0:07:54.757

to put you also got to put

 

0:07:54.798 --> 0:07:55.959

some chocolate syrup a

 

0:07:55.978 --> 0:07:57.718

little bit of sprinkles and

 

0:07:57.819 --> 0:07:59.480

nuts here's what happened i

 

0:08:00.329 --> 0:08:01.632

And I was at the grocery store.

 

0:08:01.672 --> 0:08:02.733

So after I had that meeting

 

0:08:02.892 --> 0:08:03.713

with that group this

 

0:08:03.733 --> 0:08:04.595

morning where she mentioned

 

0:08:04.634 --> 0:08:05.675

she was going to make these waffles,

 

0:08:05.716 --> 0:08:06.778

I was like, that's a great idea.

 

0:08:07.117 --> 0:08:08.860

So I run over to the grocery

 

0:08:08.899 --> 0:08:10.021

store right after and I'm like, well,

 

0:08:10.041 --> 0:08:10.742

I'll come home and I'll

 

0:08:10.762 --> 0:08:12.223

make some pink pancakes and stuff.

 

0:08:12.845 --> 0:08:15.168

So I go to Publix and I grab

 

0:08:15.588 --> 0:08:16.788

the pancake mix and I have

 

0:08:16.809 --> 0:08:17.550

it under my arm.

 

0:08:18.230 --> 0:08:20.391

And then I grab some flowers,

 

0:08:20.451 --> 0:08:21.572

some roses too.

 

0:08:22.192 --> 0:08:23.754

And then I have a thing of whipped cream.

 

0:08:24.154 --> 0:08:25.355

The only thing you can see

 

0:08:25.394 --> 0:08:26.656

in my hands is the whipped

 

0:08:26.675 --> 0:08:27.596

cream and the roses.

 

0:08:28.336 --> 0:08:28.797

Oh, boy.

 

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Oh, boy.

 

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And I get to the register

 

0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.220

and he can't see the eggs

 

0:08:34.380 --> 0:08:36.822

or the pancake mix.

 

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And I get to the register and the guy goes,

 

0:08:39.102 --> 0:08:41.105

oh, I see what you got here.

 

0:08:41.445 --> 0:08:42.465

And I was like, man,

 

0:08:42.485 --> 0:08:44.166

I'm making pancakes for my kids.

 

0:08:44.186 --> 0:08:45.006

Yeah.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Yeah.

 

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Well,

 

0:08:48.028 --> 0:08:49.809

maybe that's the code word with the wife.

 

0:08:49.850 --> 0:08:51.269

Hey, let's go make pancakes.

 

0:08:51.470 --> 0:08:52.429

Yes, exactly.

 

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Exactly.

 

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Awesome.

 

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But, you know,

 

0:08:55.890 --> 0:09:00.010

but we're talking about with Luke,

 

0:09:01.152 --> 0:09:03.552

we get so involved in life, you know,

 

0:09:03.611 --> 0:09:05.672

with with taking care of kids,

 

0:09:05.772 --> 0:09:09.153

working and we're going, going, going.

 

0:09:10.072 --> 0:09:12.014

So many of us forget to slow down.

 

0:09:12.033 --> 0:09:12.734

Yeah.

 

0:09:13.114 --> 0:09:14.313

Slow our mind down.

 

0:09:15.918 --> 0:09:16.839

and rest.

 

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And I heard, Luke,

 

0:09:20.162 --> 0:09:21.822

a sermon from Rick Warren,

 

0:09:21.942 --> 0:09:22.923

who my wife used to work

 

0:09:22.984 --> 0:09:25.424

for at Saddleback Church in California.

 

0:09:26.466 --> 0:09:28.548

And Rick Warren was talking

 

0:09:28.567 --> 0:09:31.110

about that commandment, thou shalt rest.

 

0:09:33.831 --> 0:09:36.673

And yet, Sundays,

 

0:09:36.693 --> 0:09:39.196

and for other Christians it's Saturday,

 

0:09:39.255 --> 0:09:41.658

but you spend that day really

 

0:09:42.693 --> 0:09:43.254

doing a lot.

 

0:09:44.394 --> 0:09:45.794

You go to church,

 

0:09:45.855 --> 0:09:48.035

you have communion with

 

0:09:48.096 --> 0:09:49.495

each other by being around each other.

 

0:09:49.515 --> 0:09:51.157

You're invested in the

 

0:09:51.197 --> 0:09:52.636

emotional state of other people.

 

0:09:53.356 --> 0:09:55.217

And then it's sports

 

0:09:55.317 --> 0:09:58.458

afternoon on TV or wherever

 

0:09:58.479 --> 0:10:00.659

you go or you do an adventure.

 

0:10:01.039 --> 0:10:02.080

So you're not really resting.

 

0:10:03.279 --> 0:10:05.441

And his point is we need to

 

0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.261

pick a day to slow down.

 

0:10:10.623 --> 0:10:11.623

Even if it's half a day.

 

0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.628

Which as you've learned,

 

0:10:14.668 --> 0:10:15.631

and this is why you do it.

 

0:10:16.052 --> 0:10:16.254

Yeah.

 

0:10:16.836 --> 0:10:17.177

People.

 

0:10:18.513 --> 0:10:21.235

And I'm generalizing because

 

0:10:21.414 --> 0:10:22.796

people have discipline and

 

0:10:22.816 --> 0:10:23.855

then there's people who just,

 

0:10:24.576 --> 0:10:26.658

they just don't know what to do.

 

0:10:27.599 --> 0:10:29.320

So let's go through what

 

0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.061

you're doing to help solve

 

0:10:31.721 --> 0:10:33.081

that problem and encourage

 

0:10:33.142 --> 0:10:36.083

people and teaching them how.

 

0:10:36.524 --> 0:10:36.783

Yeah,

 

0:10:37.504 --> 0:10:39.905

and the teaching how came from just

 

0:10:39.946 --> 0:10:40.706

my experience.

 

0:10:41.447 --> 0:10:42.888

It was, so I'm 44 now.

 

0:10:43.427 --> 0:10:44.489

When I was about 29, about 30 years old,

 

0:10:47.070 --> 0:10:48.390

um me and my wife were going

 

0:10:48.410 --> 0:10:49.591

through a really hard time

 

0:10:49.672 --> 0:10:50.952

I was a pretty discontent

 

0:10:50.993 --> 0:10:52.572

person I had a bunch of

 

0:10:52.653 --> 0:10:54.475

addictions you know just a

 

0:10:54.575 --> 0:10:57.015

bunch of crap in my in my

 

0:10:57.056 --> 0:10:58.076

life and I would profess to

 

0:10:58.116 --> 0:10:59.758

be a believer in in jesus

 

0:10:59.817 --> 0:11:01.619

at that point but I wasn't

 

0:11:01.739 --> 0:11:04.760

actively seeking him in my

 

0:11:04.801 --> 0:11:06.181

life and me and my wife got

 

0:11:06.221 --> 0:11:08.263

to a point where I was I

 

0:11:08.702 --> 0:11:10.604

was ready to be done um

 

0:11:10.943 --> 0:11:12.384

making a long story short

 

0:11:12.445 --> 0:11:13.946

but I i just couldn't

 

0:11:15.302 --> 0:11:17.243

deal with this discontentment I had.

 

0:11:17.342 --> 0:11:19.744

And I started to blame her

 

0:11:20.184 --> 0:11:21.325

for this discontentment.

 

0:11:21.504 --> 0:11:23.326

And I was out running one

 

0:11:23.365 --> 0:11:25.868

time and this was in 2010.

 

0:11:25.868 --> 0:11:27.408

I was out for a run and my

 

0:11:27.469 --> 0:11:29.289

brain just started to, you know,

 

0:11:29.370 --> 0:11:30.649

fill itself with all the thoughts.

 

0:11:30.690 --> 0:11:31.730

And I had started to blame

 

0:11:31.791 --> 0:11:33.772

her for my discontentment

 

0:11:33.792 --> 0:11:34.331

because we had been

 

0:11:34.351 --> 0:11:35.493

together for so long

 

0:11:35.513 --> 0:11:36.774

because we got married really young.

 

0:11:36.793 --> 0:11:37.433

And I was like, well,

 

0:11:37.453 --> 0:11:38.835

we just got married too young and blah,

 

0:11:38.855 --> 0:11:39.274

blah, blah.

 

0:11:39.735 --> 0:11:40.916

So my brain was just kind of

 

0:11:40.956 --> 0:11:42.576

putting all these issues

 

0:11:42.616 --> 0:11:43.797

that were totally mine

 

0:11:45.138 --> 0:11:45.639

on her.

 

0:11:46.359 --> 0:11:47.620

And when I was out for this run,

 

0:11:48.020 --> 0:11:52.024

I actually started to think, Oh man, I'm,

 

0:11:52.184 --> 0:11:53.405

I might have to get a divorce.

 

0:11:53.426 --> 0:11:54.866

Like I can't do this.

 

0:11:55.807 --> 0:11:57.769

And when I started to have those thoughts,

 

0:11:58.429 --> 0:11:59.311

I started crying.

 

0:11:59.410 --> 0:12:00.491

Like I was just kind of at a

 

0:12:00.572 --> 0:12:01.673

rock bottom spot.

 

0:12:01.753 --> 0:12:02.714

And in reality,

 

0:12:03.014 --> 0:12:04.274

it was a whole lot of nothing.

 

0:12:04.355 --> 0:12:06.356

She was doing it and mostly in my head.

 

0:12:07.097 --> 0:12:08.519

And when I was having those thoughts,

 

0:12:09.340 --> 0:12:10.160

I felt like,

 

0:12:10.659 --> 0:12:12.341

what I describe as a

 

0:12:12.461 --> 0:12:14.142

giant... I don't know why I

 

0:12:14.182 --> 0:12:14.802

describe it this way,

 

0:12:14.842 --> 0:12:17.203

but a giant thumb on the back of my body.

 

0:12:17.563 --> 0:12:18.625

And it just sort of smacked

 

0:12:18.684 --> 0:12:19.365

me out of that.

 

0:12:19.485 --> 0:12:21.947

And I sensed the words,

 

0:12:22.027 --> 0:12:23.928

be still and know that I'm God.

 

0:12:24.589 --> 0:12:25.308

I didn't hear it.

 

0:12:25.470 --> 0:12:27.471

It just smacked me.

 

0:12:27.610 --> 0:12:28.510

And it was...

 

0:12:29.744 --> 0:12:30.663

It was a real thing.

 

0:12:30.724 --> 0:12:31.625

And that doesn't happen to

 

0:12:31.664 --> 0:12:32.705

me all the time.

 

0:12:33.365 --> 0:12:35.365

I think that time is the

 

0:12:35.466 --> 0:12:36.645

only one I can actually

 

0:12:36.745 --> 0:12:37.667

remember in my whole life

 

0:12:37.706 --> 0:12:39.267

where something weird like that happened.

 

0:12:39.726 --> 0:12:43.048

So I got home and I didn't

 

0:12:43.087 --> 0:12:44.048

tell Mandy any of that,

 

0:12:44.129 --> 0:12:44.808

but I just kind of

 

0:12:44.849 --> 0:12:46.950

processed what the heck was that?

 

0:12:47.950 --> 0:12:50.071

And honestly, what I started to think was,

 

0:12:50.630 --> 0:12:51.750

God, was that you?

 

0:12:51.770 --> 0:12:54.831

Huh?

 

0:12:55.011 --> 0:12:55.832

If that was you...

 

0:12:57.038 --> 0:12:58.422

then that means you're real.

 

0:12:59.264 --> 0:13:00.746

And if you're real,

 

0:13:01.629 --> 0:13:04.654

then maybe what is said in this Bible,

 

0:13:04.695 --> 0:13:05.317

these scriptures,

 

0:13:06.283 --> 0:13:08.224

is true and like I said I

 

0:13:08.364 --> 0:13:09.125

I'd grown up around the

 

0:13:09.144 --> 0:13:10.504

church I had been a

 

0:13:10.885 --> 0:13:11.826

quote-unquote christian my

 

0:13:11.865 --> 0:13:13.506

whole life but I was not I

 

0:13:13.547 --> 0:13:15.028

was not behaving that way

 

0:13:15.288 --> 0:13:16.908

in my life yeah yeah and

 

0:13:16.928 --> 0:13:18.789

when I wasn't all in and

 

0:13:18.929 --> 0:13:19.770

when I started to think

 

0:13:19.811 --> 0:13:20.671

that way like oh my

 

0:13:20.711 --> 0:13:22.292

goodness maybe this is not

 

0:13:22.351 --> 0:13:23.893

just something my parents

 

0:13:24.633 --> 0:13:25.634

brought me up with maybe

 

0:13:25.673 --> 0:13:26.854

this is a real thing and so

 

0:13:28.265 --> 0:13:29.767

I got home and I felt a

 

0:13:29.927 --> 0:13:31.947

nudge to write Mandy a letter.

 

0:13:32.548 --> 0:13:33.508

Like I felt like she was like,

 

0:13:33.567 --> 0:13:35.129

you need to tell Mandy the

 

0:13:35.188 --> 0:13:36.009

truth about everything.

 

0:13:36.048 --> 0:13:37.308

The truth will set you free.

 

0:13:37.349 --> 0:13:38.210

That's what I kind of sensed.

 

0:13:38.970 --> 0:13:39.610

And so I did,

 

0:13:39.690 --> 0:13:40.910

I got out my computer and I

 

0:13:40.951 --> 0:13:43.751

started typing and I just

 

0:13:43.812 --> 0:13:45.251

told her all my doubts.

 

0:13:45.491 --> 0:13:47.273

I just told the truth, all my doubts,

 

0:13:47.312 --> 0:13:50.855

my fears, what my brain was doing.

 

0:13:51.095 --> 0:13:52.254

And at the end I said,

 

0:13:52.914 --> 0:13:53.755

but I think what I'm

 

0:13:54.096 --> 0:13:56.836

thinking is distorted in some way.

 

0:13:57.797 --> 0:13:59.158

And I'm willing to fight for

 

0:13:59.177 --> 0:14:00.077

this if you are.

 

0:14:01.138 --> 0:14:03.778

And she thankfully said, yeah, I'm in.

 

0:14:04.158 --> 0:14:05.820

And so we started going to a counselor.

 

0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.340

We started working on our relationship.

 

0:14:08.941 --> 0:14:11.740

But the prompting to write a

 

0:14:11.780 --> 0:14:12.701

letter and tell her the

 

0:14:12.761 --> 0:14:14.162

truth stuck with me.

 

0:14:14.522 --> 0:14:16.302

And I thought, man,

 

0:14:16.783 --> 0:14:17.903

I told Mandy the truth.

 

0:14:18.062 --> 0:14:19.063

And I thought it was going

 

0:14:19.104 --> 0:14:20.144

to hurt our relationship.

 

0:14:20.624 --> 0:14:21.965

But it actually made it better.

 

0:14:22.884 --> 0:14:24.325

And then what if I started

 

0:14:24.365 --> 0:14:25.605

to do that with God?

 

0:14:26.586 --> 0:14:27.647

What if I got up in the

 

0:14:27.687 --> 0:14:28.888

mornings and I started

 

0:14:28.988 --> 0:14:30.928

writing what I was actually

 

0:14:30.989 --> 0:14:34.672

thinking and feeling to God?

 

0:14:35.231 --> 0:14:35.912

And so I did.

 

0:14:36.633 --> 0:14:37.953

This was, yeah, 2010.

 

0:14:38.053 --> 0:14:38.874

I just started getting up

 

0:14:38.953 --> 0:14:42.336

early and writing and I'd

 

0:14:42.376 --> 0:14:43.456

read a chapter of the Bible

 

0:14:43.517 --> 0:14:44.337

and I'd write what I was

 

0:14:44.538 --> 0:14:45.359

actually thinking about it.

 

0:14:45.418 --> 0:14:46.479

Not like what I thought I

 

0:14:46.519 --> 0:14:47.519

was supposed to say,

 

0:14:47.539 --> 0:14:48.600

not what my pastor would

 

0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.942

think was appropriate, not what, you know,

 

0:14:51.201 --> 0:14:52.342

impressing my dad or something.

 

0:14:52.403 --> 0:14:53.744

It was just the real honest

 

0:14:53.903 --> 0:14:55.125

thoughts of God.

 

0:14:55.774 --> 0:14:57.336

of what Luke was going through.

 

0:14:57.655 --> 0:14:58.657

And I would end it with,

 

0:14:59.076 --> 0:15:00.337

please be my guide and teacher.

 

0:15:01.278 --> 0:15:05.160

And so I started that 2010, did that 2011,

 

0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.861

2012 for five years.

 

0:15:06.902 --> 0:15:07.741

And I really didn't tell

 

0:15:07.802 --> 0:15:08.663

anybody that story.

 

0:15:09.263 --> 0:15:10.583

I did it for about five years,

 

0:15:10.624 --> 0:15:11.203

just getting up.

 

0:15:11.264 --> 0:15:13.066

But about five years in,

 

0:15:13.086 --> 0:15:14.886

I had just kind of started

 

0:15:14.907 --> 0:15:15.886

to realize that I was

 

0:15:15.927 --> 0:15:16.888

having favor at work.

 

0:15:16.947 --> 0:15:18.989

You mentioned I was at Ramsey.

 

0:15:20.330 --> 0:15:21.691

I was put in some leadership

 

0:15:21.711 --> 0:15:22.471

positions there.

 

0:15:22.490 --> 0:15:22.551

And

 

0:15:24.024 --> 0:15:25.404

I just was like, whoa,

 

0:15:26.205 --> 0:15:28.105

seek ye first the kingdom

 

0:15:28.125 --> 0:15:29.426

of God and all these things

 

0:15:29.446 --> 0:15:30.245

will be added unto you.

 

0:15:30.365 --> 0:15:31.626

What I was really doing was

 

0:15:31.667 --> 0:15:33.226

just seeking God first in

 

0:15:33.267 --> 0:15:35.687

my life and telling him the

 

0:15:35.748 --> 0:15:38.687

real stuff of what I was going through.

 

0:15:39.347 --> 0:15:40.107

In 2015,

 

0:15:40.107 --> 0:15:41.649

I started to tell a version of

 

0:15:41.688 --> 0:15:43.948

that story to a few people

 

0:15:43.969 --> 0:15:45.110

because they would be

 

0:15:45.149 --> 0:15:45.830

struggling with something.

 

0:15:45.850 --> 0:15:46.669

I'd be like, man,

 

0:15:46.730 --> 0:15:49.590

you should get up tomorrow, get a journal,

 

0:15:50.530 --> 0:15:51.750

and just write something.

 

0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:53.221

for like two pages.

 

0:15:53.282 --> 0:15:54.682

Just, just don't stop.

 

0:15:54.962 --> 0:15:56.443

Just write exactly what

 

0:15:56.464 --> 0:15:57.384

you're thinking and feeling.

 

0:15:58.184 --> 0:15:59.245

And then they would do it

 

0:15:59.264 --> 0:16:00.265

and they'd come back and they'd be like,

 

0:16:00.586 --> 0:16:03.128

Luke, uh, I don't know what, uh,

 

0:16:03.528 --> 0:16:04.509

I'm not sure what happened,

 

0:16:04.849 --> 0:16:06.629

but it was incredible, you know?

 

0:16:06.669 --> 0:16:06.990

And they would,

 

0:16:07.330 --> 0:16:08.331

they would say stuff like that.

 

0:16:08.370 --> 0:16:09.772

So I'd be like, Oh, cool.

 

0:16:10.879 --> 0:16:11.120

Yeah.

 

0:16:11.580 --> 0:16:14.181

And and so they started talking about it.

 

0:16:14.201 --> 0:16:15.500

And I kind of over the last

 

0:16:15.561 --> 0:16:16.740

few years of my time at Ramsey,

 

0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:17.942

I was there almost 15 years.

 

0:16:18.422 --> 0:16:19.022

I was known as the

 

0:16:19.062 --> 0:16:20.442

journaling guy because I

 

0:16:20.481 --> 0:16:21.881

would I would teach on it

 

0:16:22.001 --> 0:16:22.863

and I would talk about it

 

0:16:22.923 --> 0:16:24.923

because what I learned now

 

0:16:24.923 --> 0:16:27.342

15 years later is I mean,

 

0:16:27.363 --> 0:16:28.504

there's science behind this.

 

0:16:28.563 --> 0:16:29.683

There's oh, for sure.

 

0:16:29.923 --> 0:16:30.663

There's so much science.

 

0:16:30.724 --> 0:16:31.703

But what I learned through

 

0:16:31.724 --> 0:16:33.544

just experience was I was

 

0:16:33.684 --> 0:16:35.865

processing what all the

 

0:16:35.904 --> 0:16:36.784

things in my brain were

 

0:16:36.845 --> 0:16:38.686

doing in a quiet place.

 

0:16:38.865 --> 0:16:39.086

Yeah.

 

0:16:39.505 --> 0:16:39.706

Yeah.

 

0:16:40.027 --> 0:16:41.388

And what it does is

 

0:16:41.427 --> 0:16:42.308

journaling acts like a

 

0:16:42.409 --> 0:16:43.630

budget for your brain.

 

0:16:44.792 --> 0:16:45.033

You know,

 

0:16:45.052 --> 0:16:46.214

when you have a bunch of bills

 

0:16:46.333 --> 0:16:47.554

out there or something and you're like,

 

0:16:47.595 --> 0:16:48.716

well, I know I got to deal with that.

 

0:16:48.736 --> 0:16:49.738

And you finally just get out

 

0:16:49.778 --> 0:16:50.798

and you write it all down

 

0:16:50.879 --> 0:16:51.919

and you're just like, oh,

 

0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:52.881

I owe this bill.

 

0:16:52.942 --> 0:16:53.481

I owe that bill.

 

0:16:53.522 --> 0:16:54.082

I owe this bill.

 

0:16:54.523 --> 0:16:55.403

It's the same when you

 

0:16:55.423 --> 0:16:56.926

journal and you just get

 

0:16:57.767 --> 0:16:58.788

all the thoughts that are

 

0:16:58.827 --> 0:17:00.190

in your head out there.

 

0:17:00.389 --> 0:17:02.131

And I think from a Christian

 

0:17:02.172 --> 0:17:04.173

perspective is you are,

 

0:17:04.894 --> 0:17:06.214

Jesus says not to let all

 

0:17:06.234 --> 0:17:07.836

the cares of this world bother you.

 

0:17:08.718 --> 0:17:08.938

Well,

 

0:17:09.198 --> 0:17:11.200

this is you giving all the cares of

 

0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:12.760

this world to him and saying,

 

0:17:12.901 --> 0:17:14.082

here's all the stuff I'm worried about.

 

0:17:14.102 --> 0:17:15.123

I lift it up to you.

 

0:17:15.604 --> 0:17:16.805

Please redeem the crap that

 

0:17:16.845 --> 0:17:18.165

needs to be redeemed and

 

0:17:18.846 --> 0:17:20.387

help me learn what you're

 

0:17:20.407 --> 0:17:20.929

trying to teach.

 

0:17:20.969 --> 0:17:22.650

And so I've been doing that

 

0:17:22.930 --> 0:17:24.291

for 15 years now and

 

0:17:24.571 --> 0:17:25.333

talking to other people

 

0:17:25.373 --> 0:17:26.574

about it and helping them do it too.

 

0:17:27.405 --> 0:17:28.665

Yeah, and before we get into that,

 

0:17:28.726 --> 0:17:30.686

I want to ask you, well,

 

0:17:30.707 --> 0:17:31.646

there's a couple questions.

 

0:17:32.307 --> 0:17:33.047

I'm sure.

 

0:17:33.487 --> 0:17:33.707

You know,

 

0:17:33.727 --> 0:17:35.647

I just Googled real quick the

 

0:17:35.688 --> 0:17:36.968

importance of keeping a journal,

 

0:17:37.087 --> 0:17:38.288

and University of Rochester

 

0:17:38.327 --> 0:17:40.068

Medical Center said keeping

 

0:17:40.108 --> 0:17:41.209

a journal helps you create

 

0:17:41.469 --> 0:17:43.849

order when your world feels

 

0:17:44.130 --> 0:17:46.069

like it's in chaos.

 

0:17:46.509 --> 0:17:47.170

Yes.

 

0:17:47.690 --> 0:17:48.711

So I want to go back, though,

 

0:17:48.750 --> 0:17:52.799

because you –

 

0:17:52.799 --> 0:17:54.861

use journaling as a process

 

0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.863

to organize the chaos in your life.

 

0:17:58.663 --> 0:18:02.244

And you mentioned that what

 

0:18:02.265 --> 0:18:03.065

you're doing is you're

 

0:18:03.085 --> 0:18:03.904

getting up in the morning

 

0:18:04.006 --> 0:18:04.746

and you're reading

 

0:18:05.588 --> 0:18:06.609

know a chapter or whatever

 

0:18:07.309 --> 0:18:08.891

of the bible then you

 

0:18:08.931 --> 0:18:11.811

journal um before that and

 

0:18:11.832 --> 0:18:12.951

I think this resonates with

 

0:18:13.011 --> 0:18:14.972

a lot of people but before

 

0:18:15.093 --> 0:18:18.315

that did you feel like oh

 

0:18:19.115 --> 0:18:19.674

from a different

 

0:18:19.734 --> 0:18:21.496

perspective oh I should be

 

0:18:21.536 --> 0:18:22.696

reading I should be reading

 

0:18:22.737 --> 0:18:24.837

the bible oh yeah and I'm not I should be

 

0:18:25.678 --> 0:18:25.837

Yeah.

 

0:18:26.018 --> 0:18:27.077

And so there's that guilt,

 

0:18:27.137 --> 0:18:28.939

there's that shame of, oh my gosh,

 

0:18:28.979 --> 0:18:32.140

I'm not doing these things.

 

0:18:32.180 --> 0:18:34.240

So I'm like committing these

 

0:18:34.259 --> 0:18:35.961

little sins of transgression,

 

0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.181

things that you probably should be doing,

 

0:18:38.221 --> 0:18:40.402

but you have to reap the

 

0:18:40.461 --> 0:18:41.501

consequences of the fact

 

0:18:41.521 --> 0:18:42.362

that you're not doing it.

 

0:18:42.682 --> 0:18:42.883

Yeah.

 

0:18:44.143 --> 0:18:48.243

So did you fall into the

 

0:18:48.284 --> 0:18:50.265

journaling because you are a creative?

 

0:18:51.085 --> 0:18:51.904

Oh, good question.

 

0:18:51.964 --> 0:18:53.285

Because you are a chief

 

0:18:53.384 --> 0:18:55.385

creative officer for these brands.

 

0:18:55.990 --> 0:18:57.069

And so you're used to

 

0:18:57.150 --> 0:19:01.490

creating creative plans to organize this.

 

0:19:02.491 --> 0:19:03.711

So the question is,

 

0:19:03.751 --> 0:19:04.571

do you think it's because

 

0:19:04.592 --> 0:19:06.133

you're a creative soul or

 

0:19:08.073 --> 0:19:10.134

how can people who are not

 

0:19:10.233 --> 0:19:14.755

creatives get to that point

 

0:19:14.795 --> 0:19:15.694

where they want to journal?

 

0:19:15.875 --> 0:19:17.776

And let me paraphrase by saying,

 

0:19:18.736 --> 0:19:20.076

God was changing your heart.

 

0:19:20.156 --> 0:19:21.656

So this was part of the motivation.

 

0:19:23.124 --> 0:19:24.684

And that's not teeing up a softball,

 

0:19:24.964 --> 0:19:29.086

but how do people that are

 

0:19:29.146 --> 0:19:32.388

not creatives understand how to do this?

 

0:19:34.349 --> 0:19:35.609

To answer a couple of the

 

0:19:35.651 --> 0:19:37.010

questions that were in there,

 

0:19:37.411 --> 0:19:38.132

I'll start with...

 

0:19:39.025 --> 0:19:40.046

There was a whole lot of

 

0:19:40.125 --> 0:19:42.227

shoulds in my life beforehand.

 

0:19:42.406 --> 0:19:42.807

Like I said,

 

0:19:42.847 --> 0:19:43.607

I grew up in a little

 

0:19:43.627 --> 0:19:44.969

Christian school and it was

 

0:19:45.009 --> 0:19:47.411

called the quiet time when

 

0:19:47.431 --> 0:19:47.951

I was growing up.

 

0:19:48.010 --> 0:19:49.412

And did you have your quiet time?

 

0:19:49.692 --> 0:19:52.034

And it was almost a

 

0:19:52.114 --> 0:19:53.414

legalistic thing growing up.

 

0:19:53.474 --> 0:19:55.056

So I didn't have it.

 

0:19:55.297 --> 0:19:56.877

And I felt bad about that.

 

0:19:57.858 --> 0:19:59.560

And when I was at that

 

0:19:59.621 --> 0:20:01.561

lowest point with the stuff

 

0:20:01.582 --> 0:20:02.583

going on with Mandy and I,

 

0:20:03.784 --> 0:20:06.086

I started writing out of desperation.

 

0:20:06.467 --> 0:20:08.367

It was the truth will set you free.

 

0:20:09.028 --> 0:20:09.489

So I,

 

0:20:10.029 --> 0:20:11.790

it might be partly because I'm a

 

0:20:11.830 --> 0:20:12.872

creative and I, you know,

 

0:20:12.892 --> 0:20:14.313

I've written songs throughout my life.

 

0:20:14.432 --> 0:20:15.755

Writing is a thing that is

 

0:20:15.815 --> 0:20:16.775

part of my life and it

 

0:20:16.855 --> 0:20:18.396

might've been a way to express that.

 

0:20:21.118 --> 0:20:23.340

But what I've learned on the

 

0:20:23.421 --> 0:20:24.923

science side is that,

 

0:20:26.405 --> 0:20:28.326

There's a there's a book I

 

0:20:28.645 --> 0:20:29.326

reference all the time

 

0:20:29.366 --> 0:20:30.346

called The Body Keeps the

 

0:20:30.386 --> 0:20:33.948

Score by Dr. Bessel van der

 

0:20:33.988 --> 0:20:34.667

Kolk is his name.

 

0:20:34.728 --> 0:20:35.607

Great, great book.

 

0:20:35.627 --> 0:20:37.688

And yeah, it's incredible.

 

0:20:37.827 --> 0:20:39.409

And he I was reading this

 

0:20:39.489 --> 0:20:40.669

not because I was

 

0:20:40.709 --> 0:20:41.548

interested in journaling,

 

0:20:41.588 --> 0:20:42.148

but because I was

 

0:20:42.189 --> 0:20:43.950

interested in psychology

 

0:20:43.990 --> 0:20:44.769

and all this stuff.

 

0:20:44.809 --> 0:20:46.849

And he says that people who

 

0:20:47.630 --> 0:20:49.651

write their honest thoughts

 

0:20:49.711 --> 0:20:51.050

and feelings out are

 

0:20:52.352 --> 0:20:53.933

When you ask your editor to leave,

 

0:20:54.055 --> 0:20:55.215

things will come out that

 

0:20:55.256 --> 0:20:56.817

you had no idea were there.

 

0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:58.961

He says, when you do that,

 

0:20:58.961 --> 0:21:00.262

50% of the people that do

 

0:21:00.303 --> 0:21:02.125

that have less doctor visits,

 

0:21:03.027 --> 0:21:03.948

better physical health,

 

0:21:04.288 --> 0:21:05.069

and better mental health.

 

0:21:06.070 --> 0:21:06.371

And so...

 

0:21:07.616 --> 0:21:08.356

It's like one of those

 

0:21:08.396 --> 0:21:09.637

things where I might have

 

0:21:09.657 --> 0:21:10.739

been drawn to it because I

 

0:21:10.778 --> 0:21:11.638

was a creative person,

 

0:21:11.739 --> 0:21:13.839

but just like working out

 

0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:14.759

and going to the gym,

 

0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:16.441

some people are more apt to

 

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:17.521

just be workout people.

 

0:21:17.682 --> 0:21:18.461

I'm not one of those.

 

0:21:18.842 --> 0:21:20.103

I've had to build the skill

 

0:21:20.182 --> 0:21:21.344

of working out into my life.

 

0:21:21.943 --> 0:21:22.864

Yeah, discipline.

 

0:21:23.284 --> 0:21:23.724

Discipline.

 

0:21:23.805 --> 0:21:24.484

This is one of those

 

0:21:24.585 --> 0:21:26.726

practices that you have to

 

0:21:26.846 --> 0:21:28.126

build into your life

 

0:21:28.227 --> 0:21:30.847

because your mind and your brain is,

 

0:21:31.488 --> 0:21:32.328

I don't know if the doctors

 

0:21:32.348 --> 0:21:32.909

would agree with this,

 

0:21:32.949 --> 0:21:34.230

but I think it's like a

 

0:21:34.289 --> 0:21:36.530

muscle that must be worked out.

 

0:21:37.070 --> 0:21:37.770

For sure.

 

0:21:38.431 --> 0:21:40.311

And when you like, well,

 

0:21:40.352 --> 0:21:41.632

I'm not a natural journaler

 

0:21:41.692 --> 0:21:43.353

or this doesn't work for me or whatever.

 

0:21:43.792 --> 0:21:45.492

That's like saying, well,

 

0:21:45.573 --> 0:21:48.094

pushups don't work for me, you know?

 

0:21:48.294 --> 0:21:49.054

Well, yeah,

 

0:21:49.094 --> 0:21:49.973

probably because you did it for

 

0:21:49.993 --> 0:21:51.355

three days and then haven't

 

0:21:51.375 --> 0:21:52.134

done it for a year.

 

0:21:52.174 --> 0:21:55.655

And so I building this habit of, um,

 

0:21:57.943 --> 0:21:59.365

Just getting up and writing

 

0:21:59.586 --> 0:22:01.627

longhand in a notebook with

 

0:22:01.667 --> 0:22:03.550

a pen for three pages.

 

0:22:04.892 --> 0:22:07.795

Just write nonstop for three pages.

 

0:22:07.835 --> 0:22:08.236

You'll be like,

 

0:22:08.276 --> 0:22:09.457

what the heck is this even about?

 

0:22:09.537 --> 0:22:10.919

Don't edit anything you're writing.

 

0:22:11.199 --> 0:22:12.800

Don't worry about spelling or grammar.

 

0:22:13.461 --> 0:22:15.263

Just write for three pages

 

0:22:15.584 --> 0:22:18.528

or 10-ish to 15 minutes straight.

 

0:22:19.385 --> 0:22:21.105

And by the end, if you don't stop,

 

0:22:21.685 --> 0:22:23.207

about the five or six minute mark,

 

0:22:23.267 --> 0:22:23.987

you will have gotten

 

0:22:24.027 --> 0:22:25.426

through all your self doubt.

 

0:22:25.987 --> 0:22:26.606

You'll just have been

 

0:22:26.626 --> 0:22:27.307

writing and eventually

 

0:22:27.326 --> 0:22:28.248

you'll stop caring about

 

0:22:28.288 --> 0:22:29.288

what's happening and stuff

 

0:22:29.327 --> 0:22:30.627

will start to come out that

 

0:22:30.647 --> 0:22:31.488

you didn't know was there.

 

0:22:31.627 --> 0:22:33.008

And if you build that habit

 

0:22:33.648 --> 0:22:36.509

into your soul and your mind,

 

0:22:36.909 --> 0:22:39.148

your brain will start to

 

0:22:40.569 --> 0:22:42.509

have a stronger attention span too,

 

0:22:42.789 --> 0:22:43.950

but it will start to file

 

0:22:44.029 --> 0:22:45.510

away things in the appropriate way.

 

0:22:45.590 --> 0:22:47.191

Like I was saying, a budget for your mind.

 

0:22:47.911 --> 0:22:48.191

Um,

 

0:22:48.750 --> 0:22:49.711

so I don't know if that answers your

 

0:22:49.731 --> 0:22:52.212

question about non-creatives, but it's,

 

0:22:52.813 --> 0:22:55.094

it's kind of like, um, you know,

 

0:22:55.473 --> 0:22:56.214

we all know we need to

 

0:22:56.474 --> 0:22:58.174

exercise more and eat less.

 

0:22:59.096 --> 0:23:00.715

Uh, and we could say, oh,

 

0:23:00.756 --> 0:23:01.576

that's not for me.

 

0:23:02.416 --> 0:23:03.557

And I don't want this

 

0:23:03.817 --> 0:23:07.098

journaling thing to turn into a, um, a,

 

0:23:07.719 --> 0:23:09.579

you know, a should or should not,

 

0:23:09.660 --> 0:23:12.101

or a chore or a legalistic thing either.

 

0:23:12.601 --> 0:23:13.342

This is about

 

0:23:15.930 --> 0:23:17.570

this is an and honestly,

 

0:23:17.810 --> 0:23:18.912

I probably do it three or

 

0:23:18.971 --> 0:23:19.771

four times a week.

 

0:23:19.832 --> 0:23:20.031

Now.

 

0:23:20.471 --> 0:23:21.553

It's not every day.

 

0:23:22.753 --> 0:23:24.453

Partly because it's like,

 

0:23:25.295 --> 0:23:27.276

I do it now on a regular basis,

 

0:23:27.316 --> 0:23:29.176

but it's still not every day anymore.

 

0:23:29.936 --> 0:23:31.317

And I because I don't want

 

0:23:31.337 --> 0:23:32.398

it to be a legalistic thing.

 

0:23:32.459 --> 0:23:34.138

I don't want it to be a drag.

 

0:23:34.799 --> 0:23:36.580

I want it to be something healthy.

 

0:23:36.740 --> 0:23:38.422

And even when you work out,

 

0:23:38.442 --> 0:23:39.721

you need to take rest days from it.

 

0:23:39.801 --> 0:23:40.563

So anyways,

 

0:23:40.583 --> 0:23:41.722

I don't know if that answers

 

0:23:41.742 --> 0:23:42.364

all your questions.

 

0:23:42.463 --> 0:23:42.624

But

 

0:23:43.208 --> 0:23:45.150

Yeah, and from personal experience,

 

0:23:45.170 --> 0:23:46.851

if I can share a personal story,

 

0:23:46.871 --> 0:23:49.753

I come from a faith where

 

0:23:49.993 --> 0:23:52.257

journaling was a commandment.

 

0:23:54.419 --> 0:23:55.159

Keep a record.

 

0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.762

And so when we started as kids,

 

0:23:59.103 --> 0:24:01.585

even the ability to write, my dad,

 

0:24:01.625 --> 0:24:03.287

who was actually a broadcast journalist,

 

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.864

who had to write stories to

 

0:24:08.044 --> 0:24:09.566

clarify what's happening.

 

0:24:10.066 --> 0:24:10.287

Yeah.

 

0:24:10.606 --> 0:24:12.769

We were taught to keep a journal.

 

0:24:12.809 --> 0:24:13.830

And when I was eight years old,

 

0:24:13.891 --> 0:24:15.752

I was given a little book.

 

0:24:16.775 --> 0:24:17.695

And I remember the first

 

0:24:17.736 --> 0:24:20.038

thing I journaled was about a dream I had

 

0:24:21.295 --> 0:24:21.535

Um,

 

0:24:21.575 --> 0:24:23.477

I think I was like eight years old and

 

0:24:23.497 --> 0:24:23.836

there was,

 

0:24:24.218 --> 0:24:25.759

I liked some girl and it was like,

 

0:24:25.999 --> 0:24:26.920

it was anyways,

 

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:29.082

that's the very first thing I ever wrote.

 

0:24:29.102 --> 0:24:30.083

And then I drew,

 

0:24:30.103 --> 0:24:31.403

I drew this little figure

 

0:24:31.443 --> 0:24:32.263

of there was this girl.

 

0:24:32.284 --> 0:24:32.984

Yeah.

 

0:24:33.464 --> 0:24:34.886

Just like a stick figure with a dress.

 

0:24:34.906 --> 0:24:35.807

Um, but,

 

0:24:37.127 --> 0:24:39.631

but we were consistently doing it and,

 

0:24:39.891 --> 0:24:41.051

and I've been blessed

 

0:24:41.132 --> 0:24:42.893

because I've journaled ever since that,

 

0:24:43.614 --> 0:24:47.217

that day, not, not every day, but I,

 

0:24:47.376 --> 0:24:49.378

I have books upon books, um,

 

0:24:50.618 --> 0:24:52.701

Um, and without that, without that,

 

0:24:53.361 --> 0:24:53.701

you know, um,

 

0:24:55.282 --> 0:24:56.002

I don't know that I could

 

0:24:56.042 --> 0:24:58.065

have processed what was going on now,

 

0:24:58.085 --> 0:24:58.645

my dad.

 

0:24:58.665 --> 0:25:00.207

Oh, and, but,

 

0:25:00.307 --> 0:25:01.047

and I want to get to this

 

0:25:01.086 --> 0:25:04.009

other point is my dad also keeps a record,

 

0:25:04.930 --> 0:25:06.372

but one thing he also does

 

0:25:06.612 --> 0:25:08.053

as kind of a patriarch of a,

 

0:25:08.532 --> 0:25:09.894

of a large family.

 

0:25:10.114 --> 0:25:13.017

And he's very persistent in, in his views.

 

0:25:13.656 --> 0:25:14.978

And I have so much love and

 

0:25:15.018 --> 0:25:15.939

respect for him because

 

0:25:15.979 --> 0:25:17.779

he's so disciplined in it.

 

0:25:18.766 --> 0:25:20.488

But I think a large part of

 

0:25:20.548 --> 0:25:23.630

it is because as he reads scripture,

 

0:25:23.650 --> 0:25:26.913

he will journal what it means to him.

 

0:25:26.932 --> 0:25:28.134

And then he sends out a

 

0:25:28.173 --> 0:25:31.576

group text to the entire family.

 

0:25:32.178 --> 0:25:34.619

So like Father Abraham,

 

0:25:35.961 --> 0:25:38.883

we get taught and preached to.

 

0:25:39.384 --> 0:25:40.484

And I think it's a beautiful thing.

 

0:25:40.505 --> 0:25:42.286

But I think that in and of itself,

 

0:25:42.346 --> 0:25:45.808

that practice has helped secure faith.

 

0:25:46.650 --> 0:25:48.171

his own personal faith in

 

0:25:48.250 --> 0:25:52.794

god um so so I think the

 

0:25:52.854 --> 0:25:53.694

one of the points you're

 

0:25:53.734 --> 0:25:55.797

saying is that if when you

 

0:25:55.836 --> 0:25:56.856

are journaling and

 

0:25:56.916 --> 0:25:59.778

involving god into the

 

0:25:59.838 --> 0:26:02.401

process yeah there's real

 

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.782

spiritual and mental growth

 

0:26:05.188 --> 0:26:05.407

Yes.

 

0:26:05.968 --> 0:26:07.288

So there's, you know, all the,

 

0:26:07.528 --> 0:26:08.729

all the scientific teaching

 

0:26:08.769 --> 0:26:10.369

out there about journaling is,

 

0:26:10.809 --> 0:26:12.990

is that mental side and it's, you know,

 

0:26:13.170 --> 0:26:14.510

clearing out your brain and,

 

0:26:14.730 --> 0:26:16.070

and getting things organized.

 

0:26:16.592 --> 0:26:17.811

But I don't want people to

 

0:26:17.872 --> 0:26:20.053

just journal for journal's sake, you know,

 

0:26:20.853 --> 0:26:22.673

good, good job at mental health and,

 

0:26:22.833 --> 0:26:24.013

you know, all of those things.

 

0:26:24.034 --> 0:26:25.034

That's a side benefit.

 

0:26:25.794 --> 0:26:27.375

I want us to get quiet enough

 

0:26:28.378 --> 0:26:29.599

so that we can actually hear

 

0:26:29.900 --> 0:26:30.820

your God more clearly.

 

0:26:31.761 --> 0:26:33.563

When you get quiet and you

 

0:26:33.603 --> 0:26:35.304

work through what I call

 

0:26:35.964 --> 0:26:37.326

stealing from Dallas Willard,

 

0:26:37.365 --> 0:26:39.528

this epidermis level stuff.

 

0:26:40.268 --> 0:26:42.009

So in the journaling teaching that I do,

 

0:26:42.349 --> 0:26:43.250

there's four layers.

 

0:26:43.750 --> 0:26:44.531

There's the first layer,

 

0:26:44.551 --> 0:26:45.813

which is the epidermis layer.

 

0:26:46.032 --> 0:26:47.054

Think of it like your skin.

 

0:26:48.414 --> 0:26:50.276

The next layer is the muscle layer.

 

0:26:50.296 --> 0:26:51.277

It's a little deeper.

 

0:26:51.916 --> 0:26:53.258

The next layer is the heart layer.

 

0:26:54.038 --> 0:26:54.959

just a little deeper than that.

 

0:26:55.058 --> 0:26:56.740

And then the last one is the bone layer.

 

0:26:57.279 --> 0:26:58.819

And so in the, in the first layer,

 

0:26:58.859 --> 0:27:01.361

the epidermis layer, what you're doing is,

 

0:27:01.701 --> 0:27:02.161

is what I would,

 

0:27:02.361 --> 0:27:03.500

we've been talking about so far.

 

0:27:03.641 --> 0:27:04.842

It's the 10 minutes of just

 

0:27:05.182 --> 0:27:07.082

nonstop writing what you're,

 

0:27:07.402 --> 0:27:08.502

you're just getting through

 

0:27:08.722 --> 0:27:09.482

all of the stuff that's

 

0:27:09.502 --> 0:27:10.563

just knocking around in your brain.

 

0:27:11.163 --> 0:27:11.784

Oh, the laundry.

 

0:27:11.983 --> 0:27:12.644

I got the bills.

 

0:27:12.763 --> 0:27:13.644

I got to pick up the kids.

 

0:27:13.844 --> 0:27:14.683

Oh, Valentine's day.

 

0:27:14.723 --> 0:27:15.483

Did I get flowers?

 

0:27:15.523 --> 0:27:17.085

You know, like all this stuff.

 

0:27:17.866 --> 0:27:19.087

That's the first 10 minutes.

 

0:27:19.489 --> 0:27:20.789

But what happens is as you

 

0:27:20.809 --> 0:27:22.511

work through this epidermis level stuff,

 

0:27:22.652 --> 0:27:23.792

you get a little deeper,

 

0:27:23.952 --> 0:27:25.134

what I call the muscle.

 

0:27:25.714 --> 0:27:25.934

Okay.

 

0:27:25.954 --> 0:27:28.557

Where you're less worried about, okay,

 

0:27:28.576 --> 0:27:29.719

we got to get groceries today.

 

0:27:30.098 --> 0:27:31.180

And you're more worried about,

 

0:27:31.759 --> 0:27:33.102

am I a good father?

 

0:27:33.122 --> 0:27:34.323

Am I...

 

0:27:36.071 --> 0:27:37.811

doing my purpose on the

 

0:27:37.872 --> 0:27:39.472

earth you know you finally

 

0:27:39.893 --> 0:27:41.873

slow down the epidermis

 

0:27:41.913 --> 0:27:43.232

stuff to start asking

 

0:27:43.292 --> 0:27:45.213

deeper questions it happens

 

0:27:45.253 --> 0:27:46.673

inevitably I did something

 

0:27:46.874 --> 0:27:48.974

uh a few weeks ago uh with

 

0:27:49.015 --> 0:27:49.994

a group I led them through

 

0:27:50.015 --> 0:27:52.275

an hour-long session and in

 

0:27:52.295 --> 0:27:53.815

this session I have you

 

0:27:53.875 --> 0:27:56.756

just write I for 12 to 15

 

0:27:56.756 --> 0:27:58.155

minutes and inevitably

 

0:27:58.615 --> 0:27:59.836

halfway through that period

 

0:27:59.856 --> 0:28:01.336

of time you'll start to hear sniffles

 

0:28:02.536 --> 0:28:04.798

And I didn't even prompt a

 

0:28:04.857 --> 0:28:05.778

difficult question.

 

0:28:06.358 --> 0:28:07.779

It was just start writing.

 

0:28:08.059 --> 0:28:09.740

Don't stop for 15 minutes.

 

0:28:10.622 --> 0:28:11.662

About six, seven minutes in,

 

0:28:11.701 --> 0:28:12.343

you'll start to hear

 

0:28:12.383 --> 0:28:13.463

sniffles because people are

 

0:28:13.503 --> 0:28:14.564

starting to work through

 

0:28:14.604 --> 0:28:16.305

and they're finally calming

 

0:28:16.365 --> 0:28:18.487

down their brain to get to

 

0:28:18.527 --> 0:28:19.448

the stuff that's really

 

0:28:19.548 --> 0:28:20.508

important to them.

 

0:28:21.489 --> 0:28:22.169

And then when they start

 

0:28:22.209 --> 0:28:23.410

writing that stuff that's

 

0:28:23.450 --> 0:28:24.111

important to them,

 

0:28:25.232 --> 0:28:26.556

Then they start releasing it

 

0:28:26.596 --> 0:28:28.578

to God and saying, hey, God,

 

0:28:28.619 --> 0:28:29.161

where are we at?

 

0:28:29.902 --> 0:28:30.804

What do you want me to do?

 

0:28:30.903 --> 0:28:31.605

And that's where the heart

 

0:28:31.644 --> 0:28:32.626

layer comes in because if

 

0:28:32.686 --> 0:28:33.328

we're believers,

 

0:28:34.286 --> 0:28:36.547

And we have asked God to be

 

0:28:36.586 --> 0:28:37.788

the king of our lives.

 

0:28:37.887 --> 0:28:39.788

He is with us in spirit and

 

0:28:39.868 --> 0:28:42.190

so in our hearts.

 

0:28:42.450 --> 0:28:44.590

And so you can trust where he's leading.

 

0:28:44.750 --> 0:28:45.951

And so that's that third layer,

 

0:28:46.011 --> 0:28:46.652

the heart layer,

 

0:28:47.313 --> 0:28:49.433

where what am I actually feeling, God?

 

0:28:49.554 --> 0:28:51.013

And what are you trying to say to me?

 

0:28:51.054 --> 0:28:52.055

And so we incorporate some

 

0:28:52.115 --> 0:28:53.336

silence into it as well.

 

0:28:53.756 --> 0:28:55.457

We can say, okay, God,

 

0:28:55.936 --> 0:28:57.317

with all this stuff I just wrote,

 

0:28:58.557 --> 0:28:59.979

what is it you want to say to me?

 

0:29:01.394 --> 0:29:02.494

And then you just listen for

 

0:29:02.515 --> 0:29:03.134

a couple minutes.

 

0:29:03.234 --> 0:29:04.875

And sometimes you're like, is this God?

 

0:29:04.935 --> 0:29:05.656

What is this?

 

0:29:06.096 --> 0:29:06.998

And you just write it down

 

0:29:07.038 --> 0:29:08.038

and sometimes there's nothing.

 

0:29:08.578 --> 0:29:09.680

But if you do that on a

 

0:29:09.740 --> 0:29:10.740

regular basis over the

 

0:29:10.779 --> 0:29:12.121

course of weeks or months,

 

0:29:12.161 --> 0:29:12.821

you'll start to see

 

0:29:12.862 --> 0:29:15.723

patterns and you can listen

 

0:29:15.784 --> 0:29:16.564

to those patterns.

 

0:29:16.624 --> 0:29:17.384

And then lastly,

 

0:29:17.605 --> 0:29:20.126

the bone section is where

 

0:29:21.207 --> 0:29:22.087

we don't spend a ton of

 

0:29:22.127 --> 0:29:23.388

time in this part of it,

 

0:29:23.669 --> 0:29:25.730

but I do go there one.

 

0:29:26.590 --> 0:29:27.711

If I do a six week session,

 

0:29:27.811 --> 0:29:29.393

one of the sessions is on this.

 

0:29:30.509 --> 0:29:32.330

the bone layer where you

 

0:29:32.391 --> 0:29:33.892

actually write for 10 or 15

 

0:29:33.892 --> 0:29:36.094

minutes on a traumatic experience.

 

0:29:37.375 --> 0:29:38.615

Dr. Pennebaker actually have

 

0:29:38.655 --> 0:29:40.616

his book right here is he's

 

0:29:40.636 --> 0:29:42.538

the like preeminent doctor on this.

 

0:29:42.818 --> 0:29:47.122

And he's done a ton of research on trauma.

 

0:29:47.462 --> 0:29:49.683

And if you take for three to

 

0:29:49.765 --> 0:29:52.207

four days straight and write nonstop,

 

0:29:52.886 --> 0:29:54.449

for 15 minutes each of those

 

0:29:54.469 --> 0:29:56.491

days about a traumatic experience,

 

0:29:57.512 --> 0:29:58.815

you will start to heal.

 

0:29:59.075 --> 0:30:00.957

And there's your whole process to do this.

 

0:30:01.076 --> 0:30:02.278

But that's where you have to

 

0:30:02.338 --> 0:30:03.881

go back and why I call it the bone layers,

 

0:30:03.901 --> 0:30:04.902

because sometimes bones

 

0:30:04.942 --> 0:30:07.085

need to be broken and reset.

 

0:30:07.865 --> 0:30:08.906

And that's where you

 

0:30:09.228 --> 0:30:10.388

somewhat work on the trauma stuff.

 

0:30:11.846 --> 0:30:14.307

Yeah,

 

0:30:14.587 --> 0:30:15.848

I found that to be true in my own

 

0:30:15.888 --> 0:30:17.109

life and in the lives of

 

0:30:17.170 --> 0:30:18.671

other people that apply

 

0:30:18.691 --> 0:30:20.653

these principles of writing

 

0:30:20.692 --> 0:30:22.354

things down and processing it.

 

0:30:22.815 --> 0:30:23.976

It's almost like we're doing

 

0:30:24.016 --> 0:30:25.135

a personal inventory.

 

0:30:25.155 --> 0:30:28.578

And it made me think of 2 Corinthians 13,

 

0:30:28.578 --> 0:30:31.821

5, where it said that Jesus says,

 

0:30:31.981 --> 0:30:34.063

examine yourselves to see

 

0:30:34.103 --> 0:30:35.463

whether you are in the faith.

 

0:30:35.964 --> 0:30:36.945

Test yourselves.

 

0:30:37.546 --> 0:30:39.907

yeah and it's what you're

 

0:30:39.968 --> 0:30:41.788

saying about incorporating

 

0:30:41.848 --> 0:30:45.431

god into this because for

 

0:30:45.490 --> 0:30:47.311

christians god is the

 

0:30:47.372 --> 0:30:49.693

source of love god is what

 

0:30:49.773 --> 0:30:51.575

pours love into us so as

 

0:30:51.654 --> 0:30:54.896

we're um I would I would I

 

0:30:54.916 --> 0:30:56.117

would think luke that as

 

0:30:56.178 --> 0:30:57.077

we're pouring out our

 

0:30:57.117 --> 0:30:58.199

hearts into a journal

 

0:31:00.398 --> 0:31:04.142

that when we're thinking this God of love,

 

0:31:04.301 --> 0:31:05.442

we need to have grace.

 

0:31:06.022 --> 0:31:06.282

Yeah.

 

0:31:06.462 --> 0:31:08.243

We need to have, you know,

 

0:31:08.305 --> 0:31:09.746

you're writing a traumatic event.

 

0:31:10.125 --> 0:31:10.286

Yeah.

 

0:31:10.306 --> 0:31:11.926

This is why journaling in

 

0:31:12.067 --> 0:31:14.409

our grief is so important

 

0:31:14.449 --> 0:31:17.451

because we start to unravel.

 

0:31:17.911 --> 0:31:18.131

Yeah.

 

0:31:19.051 --> 0:31:21.053

Everything that is painful.

 

0:31:21.513 --> 0:31:21.713

Yeah.

 

0:31:23.555 --> 0:31:23.674

But,

 

0:31:23.795 --> 0:31:25.776

but also don't you think at the same time,

 

0:31:26.196 --> 0:31:28.038

there should be a companion

 

0:31:28.077 --> 0:31:29.378

journal to our trauma of,

 

0:31:30.542 --> 0:31:31.344

What did I learn?

 

0:31:32.344 --> 0:31:32.523

Yeah.

 

0:31:32.584 --> 0:31:36.146

And how grateful am I for

 

0:31:36.366 --> 0:31:37.867

the experience of knowing

 

0:31:37.887 --> 0:31:40.088

this person who passed?

 

0:31:40.549 --> 0:31:40.750

Yeah.

 

0:31:41.269 --> 0:31:42.891

You know, when my, when my brother passed,

 

0:31:43.832 --> 0:31:46.653

um, and sorry if I'm going on, but,

 

0:31:46.773 --> 0:31:47.673

but when my brother,

 

0:31:47.973 --> 0:31:49.935

when my brother passed, uh,

 

0:31:49.976 --> 0:31:50.715

while I was waiting for a

 

0:31:50.756 --> 0:31:52.938

heart transplant, everybody was just,

 

0:31:53.057 --> 0:31:54.818

yeah, everyone was distraught.

 

0:31:55.519 --> 0:31:56.359

But, um,

 

0:31:56.500 --> 0:31:58.760

my uncle went to go tell my

 

0:31:58.842 --> 0:31:59.541

grandmother that,

 

0:32:01.032 --> 0:32:03.674

at the time and um my

 

0:32:03.694 --> 0:32:04.756

grandfather had passed so

 

0:32:04.776 --> 0:32:07.057

she was widowed uh in and

 

0:32:07.277 --> 0:32:08.238

and they went to go tell

 

0:32:08.298 --> 0:32:10.338

her doors always open to

 

0:32:10.378 --> 0:32:11.779

her house she's of that era

 

0:32:12.861 --> 0:32:14.662

and uncle alan went in to

 

0:32:14.741 --> 0:32:17.203

find her and found her in

 

0:32:17.263 --> 0:32:19.546

her bedroom on her knees

 

0:32:20.826 --> 0:32:21.826

she already had found out

 

0:32:22.086 --> 0:32:23.028

and she was on her knees

 

0:32:23.788 --> 0:32:25.229

thanking god for the

 

0:32:25.529 --> 0:32:28.971

opportunity to know yeah her grandson

 

0:32:29.980 --> 0:32:32.041

There was no complaining.

 

0:32:32.061 --> 0:32:34.222

There was no asking,

 

0:32:34.343 --> 0:32:36.265

why is this happening?

 

0:32:36.664 --> 0:32:37.986

And she'd been to enough

 

0:32:38.006 --> 0:32:41.048

funerals in her span of life.

 

0:32:41.067 --> 0:32:41.808

That's kind of what you do

 

0:32:41.828 --> 0:32:43.210

when you retire.

 

0:32:43.230 --> 0:32:44.830

You travel and you go to

 

0:32:44.871 --> 0:32:47.271

funerals and write birthday cards.

 

0:32:48.673 --> 0:32:51.515

But she was just so grateful to know him.

 

0:32:51.736 --> 0:32:53.336

And in this process of journaling,

 

0:32:54.380 --> 0:32:55.801

Have you seen, you know,

 

0:32:55.842 --> 0:32:56.903

you teach these courses,

 

0:32:56.962 --> 0:32:58.484

people can sign up for these courses.

 

0:32:58.884 --> 0:33:01.387

You go in depth and people's what,

 

0:33:01.627 --> 0:33:02.729

do you have an example of

 

0:33:02.808 --> 0:33:05.192

somebody's life who you've

 

0:33:05.231 --> 0:33:06.953

witnessed change?

 

0:33:07.335 --> 0:33:07.615

Hmm.

 

0:33:08.675 --> 0:33:09.196

Well, yeah.

 

0:33:10.097 --> 0:33:10.198

Um,

 

0:33:12.278 --> 0:33:17.740

You don't have to say their name.

 

0:33:17.900 --> 0:33:19.560

Two stories come to my mind.

 

0:33:19.580 --> 0:33:21.320

There's a lady I used to

 

0:33:21.381 --> 0:33:22.721

work with and she was a,

 

0:33:23.261 --> 0:33:25.242

she was a believer for a long time too.

 

0:33:25.262 --> 0:33:25.923

And she,

 

0:33:27.553 --> 0:33:27.673

Um,

 

0:33:28.473 --> 0:33:30.515

what I would say at Ramsey sometimes is

 

0:33:30.595 --> 0:33:32.316

we would, um, I mean,

 

0:33:32.336 --> 0:33:33.875

we consider ourselves there

 

0:33:34.537 --> 0:33:35.537

as thought leaders.

 

0:33:35.757 --> 0:33:37.337

Like we wanted to be thought leaders,

 

0:33:37.397 --> 0:33:39.439

but often we'd be running around,

 

0:33:39.679 --> 0:33:39.939

you know,

 

0:33:39.999 --> 0:33:40.720

you're going to meeting to

 

0:33:40.759 --> 0:33:41.920

meeting and you've got all

 

0:33:41.940 --> 0:33:43.260

this work to do and so on and so forth.

 

0:33:43.820 --> 0:33:45.082

But the phrase that stuck

 

0:33:45.162 --> 0:33:46.762

out to me was how can we be

 

0:33:46.803 --> 0:33:48.042

thought leaders if we don't

 

0:33:48.223 --> 0:33:49.943

ever give ourselves any time to think.

 

0:33:49.963 --> 0:33:50.904

Yeah.

 

0:33:51.164 --> 0:33:52.605

And I remember, uh,

 

0:33:52.746 --> 0:33:53.965

maybe it was that thing

 

0:33:53.986 --> 0:33:54.527

that we talked about,

 

0:33:54.547 --> 0:33:55.906

but I started talking about

 

0:33:55.967 --> 0:33:56.667

journaling with her.

 

0:33:57.528 --> 0:33:59.809

And she took it and over the

 

0:33:59.869 --> 0:34:01.991

course of those few years,

 

0:34:02.092 --> 0:34:03.511

she really took it to heart

 

0:34:03.592 --> 0:34:04.772

and she was journaling all

 

0:34:04.813 --> 0:34:07.013

the time and it transformed

 

0:34:07.074 --> 0:34:08.014

how she was leading.

 

0:34:08.215 --> 0:34:09.054

It transformed, uh,

 

0:34:09.476 --> 0:34:10.956

how she was doing her team,

 

0:34:11.117 --> 0:34:12.237

her own spiritual walk.

 

0:34:12.277 --> 0:34:13.898

And so I saw a huge change

 

0:34:13.938 --> 0:34:15.099

and I don't obviously take

 

0:34:15.119 --> 0:34:15.639

the credit for that

 

0:34:15.679 --> 0:34:17.519

journaling was my little

 

0:34:17.539 --> 0:34:19.221

words were small compared

 

0:34:19.240 --> 0:34:20.561

to what God was doing in her heart, but.

 

0:34:21.505 --> 0:34:21.664

Um,

 

0:34:22.365 --> 0:34:23.967

another one that sticks out to me is

 

0:34:24.007 --> 0:34:24.768

someone who came through

 

0:34:24.788 --> 0:34:26.590

the courses a couple months

 

0:34:26.630 --> 0:34:29.032

ago and he said, you know, Luke,

 

0:34:29.052 --> 0:34:30.414

I've been a Christian for a long time,

 

0:34:31.114 --> 0:34:33.496

but I've never stopped and

 

0:34:33.657 --> 0:34:35.918

asked God what he wanted to say to me.

 

0:34:36.759 --> 0:34:37.019

Wow.

 

0:34:37.460 --> 0:34:39.402

And I was just like, huh?

 

0:34:40.682 --> 0:34:42.184

man, because we're always just like, God,

 

0:34:42.304 --> 0:34:43.105

when we pray,

 

0:34:44.025 --> 0:34:46.027

please give me money or

 

0:34:46.126 --> 0:34:48.088

please give me a wife or a

 

0:34:48.228 --> 0:34:49.610

job or whatever the things

 

0:34:49.630 --> 0:34:50.871

we're asking for all the time.

 

0:34:50.911 --> 0:34:54.414

I think maybe sometimes God is just saying,

 

0:34:54.454 --> 0:34:56.835

hey, just slow down.

 

0:34:56.876 --> 0:34:58.077

I just want to be with you.

 

0:34:59.338 --> 0:35:01.199

Speaking of your... I love

 

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:02.619

that story you told about your grandma.

 

0:35:03.740 --> 0:35:07.284

Chip Dodd is a psychologist that I like.

 

0:35:07.423 --> 0:35:08.244

I like his book called The

 

0:35:08.284 --> 0:35:08.965

Voice of the Heart.

 

0:35:09.204 --> 0:35:09.326

And

 

0:35:10.579 --> 0:35:12.300

He talks about the eight core feelings.

 

0:35:12.380 --> 0:35:13.940

And one of those feelings is sadness.

 

0:35:14.121 --> 0:35:14.842

And you're talking about

 

0:35:14.882 --> 0:35:17.003

grief and talking about your grandmother.

 

0:35:18.862 --> 0:35:21.304

Sadness, when we actually acknowledge it,

 

0:35:22.885 --> 0:35:24.786

shows us what we value.

 

0:35:26.253 --> 0:35:27.034

And that's what I love.

 

0:35:27.114 --> 0:35:30.534

Like tears show us what matters to us.

 

0:35:31.534 --> 0:35:34.155

And when we're sleepwalking through life,

 

0:35:34.255 --> 0:35:35.115

just, you know,

 

0:35:35.275 --> 0:35:36.856

taking in no shade on the

 

0:35:36.876 --> 0:35:37.556

Superbowl or whatever,

 

0:35:37.597 --> 0:35:38.257

I loved watching it,

 

0:35:38.317 --> 0:35:39.697

but you go from Superbowl

 

0:35:39.958 --> 0:35:41.438

to staring at your phone, to sleeping,

 

0:35:41.577 --> 0:35:42.798

to get up, to check your email,

 

0:35:43.179 --> 0:35:43.898

to then go to work,

 

0:35:43.958 --> 0:35:45.278

to then do the next thing, the next thing,

 

0:35:45.298 --> 0:35:46.139

the next thing, the next thing.

 

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:47.239

All of a sudden,

 

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.119

like there is a deeper

 

0:35:49.300 --> 0:35:51.260

spiritual world going on that is,

 

0:35:52.621 --> 0:35:54.581

we got to slow down

 

0:35:55.751 --> 0:35:56.503

to acknowledge.

 

0:35:57.235 --> 0:35:57.416

Yeah.

 

0:35:57.615 --> 0:35:59.516

Um, there's a story that, uh,

 

0:35:59.976 --> 0:36:01.536

Jake Smith is a friend of mine too.

 

0:36:01.617 --> 0:36:01.737

He's,

 

0:36:01.938 --> 0:36:03.277

he does something called plumb line

 

0:36:03.297 --> 0:36:04.838

groups and he,

 

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:06.219

I know he got this story

 

0:36:06.259 --> 0:36:06.818

from somewhere else,

 

0:36:06.838 --> 0:36:07.800

but I don't know where it was.

 

0:36:08.079 --> 0:36:10.199

And he tells a story about this group of,

 

0:36:10.501 --> 0:36:13.001

uh, American hikers that were,

 

0:36:13.101 --> 0:36:14.362

I think it might've been going up,

 

0:36:14.641 --> 0:36:14.961

you know, uh,

 

0:36:15.762 --> 0:36:17.822

what's that big mountain over in, uh,

 

0:36:18.063 --> 0:36:20.304

that everybody climbs Everest.

 

0:36:20.324 --> 0:36:20.523

Right.

 

0:36:20.963 --> 0:36:21.603

And so they,

 

0:36:22.204 --> 0:36:23.605

they start climbing this thing

 

0:36:23.644 --> 0:36:25.045

or it might've been a missionary trip.

 

0:36:25.065 --> 0:36:26.606

I'm going to mess this story up, but, uh,

 

0:36:27.746 --> 0:36:29.188

they have local guides

 

0:36:29.289 --> 0:36:30.530

taking them on this journey.

 

0:36:30.550 --> 0:36:31.351

Yeah.

 

0:36:31.550 --> 0:36:32.612

And they covered a lot of

 

0:36:32.652 --> 0:36:34.112

ground over the course of a

 

0:36:34.373 --> 0:36:35.315

short period of time.

 

0:36:36.476 --> 0:36:37.516

And so they take a break

 

0:36:37.896 --> 0:36:38.998

because the guides,

 

0:36:39.038 --> 0:36:40.260

the local guides sit down

 

0:36:40.619 --> 0:36:41.420

and they just sit there

 

0:36:42.742 --> 0:36:43.782

And the Americans are like, all right,

 

0:36:43.802 --> 0:36:45.382

we ate our lunch and let's go.

 

0:36:45.483 --> 0:36:45.983

Where are we going?

 

0:36:46.744 --> 0:36:48.384

And they had covered so much ground,

 

0:36:48.965 --> 0:36:50.565

the guides,

 

0:36:50.905 --> 0:36:52.005

a lot of them didn't speak English,

 

0:36:52.045 --> 0:36:52.985

were just not moving.

 

0:36:53.045 --> 0:36:54.146

They were like, we're not going anywhere.

 

0:36:54.166 --> 0:36:54.887

And finally they found

 

0:36:54.907 --> 0:36:55.686

someone to translate.

 

0:36:56.387 --> 0:36:57.668

And the guide said, no,

 

0:36:58.407 --> 0:36:59.489

we've covered so much

 

0:36:59.548 --> 0:37:01.190

ground over this course of

 

0:37:01.250 --> 0:37:02.730

time that we need to stop

 

0:37:02.789 --> 0:37:04.070

and let our souls catch up.

 

0:37:05.530 --> 0:37:07.572

And I was just like, dang,

 

0:37:07.632 --> 0:37:09.112

like we move so fast and

 

0:37:09.152 --> 0:37:11.434

our souls are way back there going, hey.

 

0:37:12.418 --> 0:37:13.077

We're tired.

 

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.121

Reminds me of scuba diving.

 

0:37:20.380 --> 0:37:21.822

You have to stop at certain

 

0:37:21.862 --> 0:37:23.041

levels because of the pressure.

 

0:37:23.621 --> 0:37:26.483

And then as you go up, you have to wait,

 

0:37:26.563 --> 0:37:29.824

do safety stops for three minutes.

 

0:37:30.385 --> 0:37:31.565

And without doing that,

 

0:37:31.764 --> 0:37:34.385

you're not going to get, your lungs could,

 

0:37:34.606 --> 0:37:35.706

you know, can't take it.

 

0:37:36.181 --> 0:37:36.420

Yeah.

 

0:37:36.501 --> 0:37:39.563

And so I love this idea that we need to go,

 

0:37:40.605 --> 0:37:41.164

go, go.

 

0:37:41.204 --> 0:37:42.365

And then we need to stop and

 

0:37:42.385 --> 0:37:43.706

it gets back to, you know,

 

0:37:43.746 --> 0:37:44.628

thou shalt rest.

 

0:37:45.208 --> 0:37:48.510

We see, we see Jesus busy with the crowds,

 

0:37:48.690 --> 0:37:49.572

healing people,

 

0:37:50.193 --> 0:37:52.373

putting his whole heart into everything,

 

0:37:52.434 --> 0:37:53.655

God's heart into everything.

 

0:37:54.155 --> 0:37:55.036

And then what does he do?

 

0:37:55.617 --> 0:38:00.521

He escapes into the wilderness to be alone,

 

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.163

alone with this father to

 

0:38:02.523 --> 0:38:03.943

process everything.

 

0:38:06.123 --> 0:38:08.885

you know, everything that's, which is,

 

0:38:08.985 --> 0:38:09.347

which is,

 

0:38:09.447 --> 0:38:10.788

and maybe he kept a little

 

0:38:10.827 --> 0:38:12.228

journal that we never saw.

 

0:38:12.668 --> 0:38:12.909

Right.

 

0:38:13.210 --> 0:38:13.570

You know?

 

0:38:13.590 --> 0:38:13.670

Yeah.

 

0:38:14.690 --> 0:38:16.532

And, uh, I love what the chose.

 

0:38:16.693 --> 0:38:18.193

I love what the chosen guys did with that.

 

0:38:18.213 --> 0:38:19.795

This, this last season that I,

 

0:38:20.014 --> 0:38:20.876

I just watched where he,

 

0:38:21.096 --> 0:38:22.157

Jesus was preparing for the

 

0:38:22.177 --> 0:38:23.338

sermon on the Mount and he would,

 

0:38:23.998 --> 0:38:25.018

he would disappear, uh,

 

0:38:26.088 --> 0:38:28.849

to write some of that stuff down.

 

0:38:30.110 --> 0:38:33.552

He had to go figure out what

 

0:38:33.592 --> 0:38:34.713

the heck he wanted to say

 

0:38:34.753 --> 0:38:35.813

and what God wanted to say

 

0:38:35.833 --> 0:38:37.635

through him and all this stuff.

 

0:38:37.675 --> 0:38:39.315

And I like how they did that

 

0:38:39.356 --> 0:38:41.056

in this last season.

 

0:38:41.336 --> 0:38:43.918

yeah and the way uh dallas

 

0:38:43.958 --> 0:38:44.697

directed that and wrote

 

0:38:44.737 --> 0:38:47.179

that is jesus is with

 

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:48.260

matthew you know the book

 

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:49.860

of matthew he's a tax

 

0:38:49.900 --> 0:38:50.840

collector so he takes

 

0:38:51.340 --> 0:38:52.782

meticulous notes you know

 

0:38:52.822 --> 0:38:54.001

yeah he used to know the

 

0:38:54.041 --> 0:38:55.422

calculator really well and

 

0:38:55.943 --> 0:38:56.663

the way they do and he

 

0:38:56.702 --> 0:38:57.483

would write down he knew

 

0:38:57.503 --> 0:38:58.463

what people owed and didn't

 

0:38:58.483 --> 0:38:59.784

know so he's keeping a

 

0:38:59.844 --> 0:39:01.965

complete record and I love

 

0:39:02.005 --> 0:39:04.186

the humanity exhibited

 

0:39:04.425 --> 0:39:07.186

through jesus the mortality

 

0:39:07.226 --> 0:39:08.288

that he inherited from his

 

0:39:08.447 --> 0:39:10.949

mother from his father immortality

 

0:39:11.409 --> 0:39:12.269

But from his mother,

 

0:39:12.309 --> 0:39:13.670

he has these human emotions.

 

0:39:14.371 --> 0:39:17.552

And he looks at Matthew and

 

0:39:17.592 --> 0:39:19.733

he proposes some type of phrase.

 

0:39:20.514 --> 0:39:23.615

And Matthew's like, I don't know.

 

0:39:23.635 --> 0:39:26.476

And then they keep working on it.

 

0:39:26.516 --> 0:39:28.097

But don't you remember Jesus pauses?

 

0:39:29.079 --> 0:39:29.679

He pauses.

 

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.460

He takes a break.

 

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:33.780

We don't do this.

 

0:39:34.161 --> 0:39:35.981

And this is why your message

 

0:39:36.063 --> 0:39:36.603

is so important.

 

0:39:37.989 --> 0:39:39.030

resonates with me the

 

0:39:39.070 --> 0:39:41.411

importance of of learning

 

0:39:41.550 --> 0:39:43.992

how to journal on a deeper

 

0:39:44.032 --> 0:39:45.152

level which is what you

 

0:39:45.211 --> 0:39:46.251

offer which is what you're

 

0:39:46.291 --> 0:39:48.293

offering yeah there's a um

 

0:39:48.833 --> 0:39:50.293

I mean it's based off of uh

 

0:39:50.452 --> 0:39:52.094

you know the deuteronomy

 

0:39:52.173 --> 0:39:53.054

text that says love the

 

0:39:53.094 --> 0:39:53.833

lord your god with all your

 

0:39:53.853 --> 0:39:54.594

heart soul mind and

 

0:39:54.655 --> 0:39:55.554

strength but there's a a

 

0:39:56.034 --> 0:39:56.954

couple of writers I'm

 

0:39:56.974 --> 0:39:57.635

blanking on what their

 

0:39:57.655 --> 0:39:59.175

names are uh rob murray's

 

0:39:59.235 --> 0:40:00.876

one of them yeah and uh

 

0:40:01.135 --> 0:40:01.795

they wrote a book called

 

0:40:01.815 --> 0:40:03.237

the human operating system

 

0:40:04.257 --> 0:40:06.117

And based off of the human

 

0:40:06.177 --> 0:40:08.539

operating system being heart, soul, mind,

 

0:40:08.739 --> 0:40:09.079

strength.

 

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:11.981

And often, again, not picking on America.

 

0:40:12.121 --> 0:40:12.702

I love America.

 

0:40:13.161 --> 0:40:17.945

But we often run in the mind

 

0:40:18.085 --> 0:40:19.746

and strength quadrants of that.

 

0:40:20.447 --> 0:40:21.728

And if you always are just

 

0:40:21.807 --> 0:40:22.847

over in mind and strength,

 

0:40:23.568 --> 0:40:26.289

your heart and soul gets starved.

 

0:40:27.210 --> 0:40:27.431

Yeah.

 

0:40:27.451 --> 0:40:27.530

Yeah.

 

0:40:27.927 --> 0:40:28.206

Also,

 

0:40:28.327 --> 0:40:29.347

if you're over in the heart and soul

 

0:40:29.367 --> 0:40:29.887

all the time,

 

0:40:30.487 --> 0:40:31.628

you never make anything or

 

0:40:31.648 --> 0:40:32.509

you never actually finish

 

0:40:32.528 --> 0:40:33.509

the project and you don't

 

0:40:33.829 --> 0:40:34.568

get things done.

 

0:40:35.070 --> 0:40:37.710

So the key is to be working heart, soul,

 

0:40:37.791 --> 0:40:39.291

mind, and strength all the time.

 

0:40:39.851 --> 0:40:40.811

And use your mind and

 

0:40:40.831 --> 0:40:43.693

strength when you need to, but also rest.

 

0:40:44.793 --> 0:40:45.873

Let your soul catch up.

 

0:40:46.833 --> 0:40:48.755

Keep your soul in a good place.

 

0:40:48.775 --> 0:40:49.855

You know, you got to do all four.

 

0:40:50.014 --> 0:40:51.356

So I love that.

 

0:40:51.916 --> 0:40:54.597

Makes me think of the series, The Crown.

 

0:40:56.510 --> 0:40:58.693

You know, Prince Philip is dating Kate.

 

0:40:59.393 --> 0:41:01.914

Kate has a family and they

 

0:41:01.954 --> 0:41:02.976

sit around the table

 

0:41:03.036 --> 0:41:04.257

together and they have dinner.

 

0:41:04.277 --> 0:41:07.920

And so Philip is with his grandma,

 

0:41:07.980 --> 0:41:08.760

Queen Elizabeth,

 

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.081

and Queen Elizabeth asks if

 

0:41:11.101 --> 0:41:12.083

you had a good time.

 

0:41:12.222 --> 0:41:12.824

And Philip goes,

 

0:41:13.304 --> 0:41:15.346

do you know this family eats together?

 

0:41:15.405 --> 0:41:16.326

They sit around the table

 

0:41:16.365 --> 0:41:17.166

and they eat together.

 

0:41:17.186 --> 0:41:19.648

He's like, well, why would they do that?

 

0:41:19.668 --> 0:41:20.769

Yeah.

 

0:41:23.101 --> 0:41:27.304

you know, it's, it's, it's this crazy,

 

0:41:27.405 --> 0:41:28.425

crazy thing.

 

0:41:28.565 --> 0:41:30.447

But, um, you know,

 

0:41:30.467 --> 0:41:31.807

I'm grateful that my parents,

 

0:41:32.789 --> 0:41:34.150

even though we were always

 

0:41:34.170 --> 0:41:35.090

kind of pushing against the

 

0:41:35.150 --> 0:41:36.791

pricks is that my parents

 

0:41:36.891 --> 0:41:37.733

would sit around,

 

0:41:38.012 --> 0:41:39.454

have us all sit around the

 

0:41:39.474 --> 0:41:42.076

dinner table and kind of go

 

0:41:42.096 --> 0:41:45.338

around and review what happened that day.

 

0:41:45.378 --> 0:41:46.659

And most of us were like, yeah,

 

0:41:46.860 --> 0:41:47.260

I don't know.

 

0:41:47.300 --> 0:41:47.840

Mom gave me a,

 

0:41:48.679 --> 0:41:49.980

I got a Twinkie in my lunch,

 

0:41:50.039 --> 0:41:50.980

so I know she loves me.

 

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:52.059

Yeah.

 

0:41:52.641 --> 0:41:53.541

Or she's trying to kill me.

 

0:41:53.561 --> 0:41:54.320

Yeah.

 

0:41:55.461 --> 0:41:55.621

But,

 

0:41:55.742 --> 0:41:57.661

but we take these moments in life and

 

0:41:57.681 --> 0:42:00.764

we pause and reflect and yeah.

 

0:42:02.403 --> 0:42:04.364

So if people want to,

 

0:42:04.824 --> 0:42:06.806

and they should take this

 

0:42:06.985 --> 0:42:08.126

course from you that really

 

0:42:08.166 --> 0:42:09.347

dives deep into,

 

0:42:11.195 --> 0:42:12.576

So how do they go about

 

0:42:13.715 --> 0:42:16.958

signing up and doing this?

 

0:42:17.257 --> 0:42:18.818

Our next one starts on February 20th,

 

0:42:18.858 --> 0:42:19.739

so I'm not sure when this

 

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.481

podcast is going to come out.

 

0:42:21.900 --> 0:42:25.423

So what I would say is go to holywork.com.

 

0:42:26.164 --> 0:42:26.364

Yeah.

 

0:42:26.623 --> 0:42:29.304

And there will be an offer

 

0:42:29.525 --> 0:42:30.505

eventually for the one that

 

0:42:30.545 --> 0:42:31.525

comes after if this comes

 

0:42:31.605 --> 0:42:32.744

out or come sign up for the

 

0:42:32.764 --> 0:42:34.106

February 20th if this comes out.

 

0:42:34.306 --> 0:42:34.666

Yeah.

 

0:42:35.306 --> 0:42:37.626

But this is this is going to come out.

 

0:42:38.425 --> 0:42:39.907

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0:42:53.550 --> 0:42:54.329

And that's also where the

 

0:42:54.369 --> 0:42:55.610

link is to this podcast.

 

0:42:56.309 --> 0:42:58.351

But yeah, it's going on this Sunday.

 

0:42:58.411 --> 0:43:00.431

So in that gives people enough time.

 

0:43:01.510 --> 0:43:01.710

Yeah.

 

0:43:01.731 --> 0:43:02.690

It starts a week.

 

0:43:02.911 --> 0:43:04.572

It starts the podcast.

 

0:43:04.711 --> 0:43:07.152

If you say Sunday, the podcast comes out.

 

0:43:07.652 --> 0:43:08.913

So this will be the Tuesday after.

 

0:43:08.932 --> 0:43:10.273

So if you get it,

 

0:43:10.393 --> 0:43:11.713

come join us for that Tuesday.

 

0:43:11.773 --> 0:43:13.934

But I offer these usually every quarter.

 

0:43:14.114 --> 0:43:15.733

So there'll be another one.

 

0:43:15.833 --> 0:43:16.614

And then eventually it'll

 

0:43:16.653 --> 0:43:18.034

come on video in some form.

 

0:43:18.054 --> 0:43:18.954

So you don't have to wait

 

0:43:18.994 --> 0:43:20.014

for the next live thing,

 

0:43:20.094 --> 0:43:23.376

but that's the best way to do it.

 

0:43:24.056 --> 0:43:24.155

Okay,

 

0:43:24.235 --> 0:43:25.557

I'm going to put this in the show notes.

 

0:43:25.597 --> 0:43:27.179

So everybody go to the show notes.

 

0:43:27.199 --> 0:43:28.400

If you're watching on

 

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:29.742

YouTube to actually see our

 

0:43:30.563 --> 0:43:31.603

virtual conversation,

 

0:43:31.623 --> 0:43:32.644

it's there in the notes.

 

0:43:33.244 --> 0:43:34.706

Now, just for clarity,

 

0:43:34.746 --> 0:43:37.630

when you guys are Googling Luke Lefevre,

 

0:43:37.690 --> 0:43:38.391

there is another...

 

0:43:40.025 --> 0:43:41.065

There's another Luke Lefevre

 

0:43:41.766 --> 0:43:42.847

and he lives close by.

 

0:43:42.867 --> 0:43:43.086

Yeah.

 

0:43:43.126 --> 0:43:44.007

He lives here in Franklin

 

0:43:44.068 --> 0:43:45.507

and I've talked to him a few times.

 

0:43:46.148 --> 0:43:47.009

It's so crazy.

 

0:43:47.088 --> 0:43:48.568

Like, it's not like it's John Smith.

 

0:43:49.150 --> 0:43:50.949

It's Luke Lefevre spelled

 

0:43:51.010 --> 0:43:52.210

exactly the same.

 

0:43:53.050 --> 0:43:54.411

And he's a believer too.

 

0:43:54.492 --> 0:43:54.911

So like,

 

0:43:54.952 --> 0:43:57.393

he's got a cool mission going and it's,

 

0:43:57.713 --> 0:43:58.853

it's, it's just strange.

 

0:43:58.913 --> 0:44:00.034

So that's why go to

 

0:44:00.074 --> 0:44:01.554

holywork.com versus trying

 

0:44:01.574 --> 0:44:02.414

to spell my name and

 

0:44:03.693 --> 0:44:04.434

I would think,

 

0:44:04.574 --> 0:44:05.715

does the government ever

 

0:44:05.795 --> 0:44:07.016

mess that up and send you

 

0:44:07.097 --> 0:44:09.177

his tax information?

 

0:44:09.217 --> 0:44:10.418

No, not yet.

 

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:11.059

Not yet.

 

0:44:11.179 --> 0:44:11.840

Maybe someday.

 

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:13.541

That's awesome.

 

0:44:14.021 --> 0:44:15.382

Social security numbers help with that.

 

0:44:16.565 --> 0:44:19.827

So what's the website?

 

0:44:19.947 --> 0:44:21.527

Holywork.com.

 

0:44:21.847 --> 0:44:22.768

That's so much easier.

 

0:44:22.969 --> 0:44:23.728

Yes, exactly.

 

0:44:24.088 --> 0:44:25.510

Holywork.com.

 

0:44:25.570 --> 0:44:25.769

Yeah.

 

0:44:26.030 --> 0:44:27.010

Don't try to spell my name.

 

0:44:27.550 --> 0:44:28.951

Yeah, because if you say Lefevre,

 

0:44:29.650 --> 0:44:30.672

it's French.

 

0:44:31.331 --> 0:44:32.251

Yes, French.

 

0:44:32.351 --> 0:44:33.612

And I think we Americanized

 

0:44:33.672 --> 0:44:34.793

it when we brought it to

 

0:44:35.253 --> 0:44:36.594

whoever came over here.

 

0:44:36.934 --> 0:44:39.054

It's probably like Lefevre

 

0:44:39.094 --> 0:44:40.255

with the throat in there.

 

0:44:40.476 --> 0:44:42.436

But they came over and they're like,

 

0:44:42.476 --> 0:44:43.297

whatever, Lefevre.

 

0:44:43.317 --> 0:44:43.597

Yeah.

 

0:44:44.628 --> 0:44:45.208

I love that.

 

0:44:45.528 --> 0:44:47.132

Getty Lee, the lead singer of Rush,

 

0:44:47.172 --> 0:44:49.554

just released a biography

 

0:44:49.614 --> 0:44:50.496

and everyone should listen

 

0:44:50.536 --> 0:44:52.079

to the autobiography or the,

 

0:44:52.820 --> 0:44:54.641

the autobiography audio.

 

0:44:55.123 --> 0:44:56.445

It's called My F in Life.

 

0:44:57.085 --> 0:44:58.226

But he talks about his

 

0:44:58.286 --> 0:45:00.530

Holocaust surviving parents

 

0:45:00.570 --> 0:45:01.331

that came over.

 

0:45:01.411 --> 0:45:01.572

Yeah.

 

0:45:02.016 --> 0:45:04.139

And they had this long, long name,

 

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:06.320

you know, and he's like, ah,

 

0:45:06.460 --> 0:45:07.601

they just call her Nancy.

 

0:45:11.085 --> 0:45:11.505

Love that.

 

0:45:11.626 --> 0:45:13.527

I love that.

 

0:45:14.007 --> 0:45:14.349

Love you.

 

0:45:14.389 --> 0:45:15.489

I'm so grateful that you're

 

0:45:15.610 --> 0:45:18.713

on this podcast and the people.

 

0:45:19.963 --> 0:45:21.304

can take this class from you

 

0:45:21.704 --> 0:45:23.826

and really have their life changed.

 

0:45:24.425 --> 0:45:24.646

Yes.

 

0:45:25.007 --> 0:45:26.867

I think not because of what I'm teaching,

 

0:45:26.927 --> 0:45:27.588

because it's a,

 

0:45:27.949 --> 0:45:29.309

it's an experiential thing.

 

0:45:29.349 --> 0:45:30.992

It's not Luke talking the whole time.

 

0:45:31.152 --> 0:45:33.753

It's you going through, uh, these,

 

0:45:34.014 --> 0:45:35.034

these experiences and

 

0:45:35.094 --> 0:45:35.894

actually doing them.

 

0:45:36.175 --> 0:45:37.916

And that's the powerful thing.

 

0:45:38.336 --> 0:45:38.717

And, uh,

 

0:45:38.958 --> 0:45:39.918

I'm excited for people to go

 

0:45:39.938 --> 0:45:40.298

through that.

 

0:45:41.018 --> 0:45:41.460

So cool.

 

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.101

It's like a, it's like a really, um,

 

0:45:46.617 --> 0:45:47.717

applying yourself in some

 

0:45:47.777 --> 0:45:48.898

type of a therapy.

 

0:45:49.358 --> 0:45:49.619

Yeah.

 

0:45:49.659 --> 0:45:51.398

So it's like self-therapy.

 

0:45:51.438 --> 0:45:52.519

Self, yeah.

 

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:54.519

And this, you know, if you have some,

 

0:45:55.739 --> 0:45:57.081

like this might point out, oh,

 

0:45:57.141 --> 0:45:58.400

I need to go to a real

 

0:45:58.581 --> 0:45:59.800

therapist or I need to go

 

0:45:59.820 --> 0:46:01.202

to a counselor and really

 

0:46:01.222 --> 0:46:02.521

work through this with a professional.

 

0:46:02.842 --> 0:46:03.481

Absolutely.

 

0:46:05.103 --> 0:46:07.023

Even in some of Dr. Pennebaker's stuff,

 

0:46:07.282 --> 0:46:08.583

he's like, hey,

 

0:46:08.684 --> 0:46:10.103

if you start to write about

 

0:46:10.143 --> 0:46:10.864

some of that traumatic

 

0:46:10.923 --> 0:46:12.704

stuff and it's just too much,

 

0:46:13.005 --> 0:46:13.525

you should stop.

 

0:46:14.693 --> 0:46:16.494

And go talk to a real

 

0:46:16.534 --> 0:46:18.195

therapist or a psychologist

 

0:46:18.275 --> 0:46:19.817

and really work through it.

 

0:46:20.416 --> 0:46:23.239

So that's also what this does is it shows,

 

0:46:23.458 --> 0:46:24.579

oh, I need, okay,

 

0:46:24.599 --> 0:46:25.300

there's some stuff here

 

0:46:25.340 --> 0:46:26.440

that I've got over in the

 

0:46:26.481 --> 0:46:27.702

corner that I haven't dealt

 

0:46:27.722 --> 0:46:28.382

with in a while.

 

0:46:28.481 --> 0:46:30.163

So I'm excited for people to

 

0:46:30.182 --> 0:46:30.682

experience it.

 

0:46:31.744 --> 0:46:32.264

So true.

 

0:46:32.565 --> 0:46:32.945

So true.

 

0:46:33.324 --> 0:46:33.784

All right, buddy.

 

0:46:33.864 --> 0:46:34.865

Thank you so much.

 

0:46:35.246 --> 0:46:35.545

Yeah, man.

 

0:46:35.746 --> 0:46:36.547

Thanks for having me.